Quelle surprise. Societal dictates are pushing them to the right.
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Short-term solutions are hard. In past work, I’ve proposed solutions to men’s compensatory anger and aggression at both the individual and societal levels. For example, I believe that it’s important for adults, such as parents, clinicians and teachers, to resist the urge to put undue pressures on boys, as well as to equip boys with the tools they need to resist such pressure. At a broader level, it’s important to promote gender diversity in positions of leadership and power, so that boys learn that people of all genders—not just men—share the responsibility for providing and protecting. If we can target the mechanisms underlying the pressure that boys and men experience, we should be able to mitigate the anger and aggression they exhibit to prove their manhood.
Well, a lot of the families of these young men are also deeply involved in the evangelical community that teach that these pressures are not only societal, they are God-given and healthy. They learn that if they don’t adopt this type of masculinity, they are going against the biblical version of the man. They might not even make it to heaven. They’ll be burning in eternal fire. And if your parents and your church and your day-to-day leaders keep pushing this, it’s no surprise that they end up voting for the toxic masculinity Trump represents.
Belief in anything is weird. Seriously? Some god? Y’all find weird ways to want some god to be involved.
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It was rigged
Even if it was, they wouldn’t have rigged it so Gen Z and Gen X men in particular hate democracy.
Boys*
Not all, Gen Z starts at '95. Elder Gen Z is approaching their 30s
I was talking maturity-level, experience, education, etc. …and character, in particular.
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Can you explain a tenet of LGBT ideology?
“wanting to be considered people and not hidden away” is apparently too much for some people
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That isn’t a tenet. A tenet is a specific belief, like, “Jesus is the son of God”, to use a Christian example. I am asking, because given that LGBT is a descriptive label for a group and not a prescriptive belief system/ ideology, I am dubious that you can list an ideological tenet.
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I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not intending to make this assertion, but as a warning: transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny are not nice, and are not tolerated on Beehaw.
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Actually I read that as misandry. Especially considering that when it comes to trans enmity TERFs are very much a driving force and those tend to be almost exclusively cis women, not men.
And you believe that it’s not that the Right has succeeded in pushing anti-LGBT propaganda onto young white men so much that it has tipped them towards that stance, but rather that it is genuine backlash by young white men against LGBT beliefs?
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a lot of men in general are not ok with the feminists and LGBT people preaching
But they are okay with non-feminists and anti-LBGT people “preaching”? And can you clarify who are you referring to when you say “radical people”? Is that meant to be feminists and LGBT people?
- Sick of feminist and LGBTQ ideology being pushed.
- Can’t really articulate what that is and what it means, or be specific about what they don’t like about it.
Sadly, this tracks, this is this entire block of white men pretty much (and is identical to people who complain about “woke” and “critical race theory”). It’s a result of flooding the zone with shit (google that if you don’t know what it means) and if anything, it usefully tells us who’s vulnerable to that (a tragically large number of people).
Thinking that posting “kill all men” is a net benefit to society?
My point being: You’ll have to dare a perspective shift to actually understand the issue. No, it’s not about gay marriage and stuff. People by and large, at the utmost, just don’t give a fuck. Live and let live is popular as ever. Hearing, as a 12yold boy, “Men ruled the world for millennia now it’s our turn, you have no problems, men, boys, by definition can’t have any problems, also mutilating your genitals is perfectly justified look at this one random study which says that if you don’t wash yourself then circumcision reduces AIDS rates”… yeah. 12 years is significantly less than millennia, why in the everloving fuck would you blame the poor kid for it and don’t get me started on the circumcision shit the US is cooked.
As said: Dare that perspective shift. It’s not about queer theory, it’s not about emancipation, it’s about institutionalised cattiness and bitter, over-zealous rhetoric creating a particular appearance. It’s also pretty much limited to the US, there’s bits and pieces floating over the Atlantic but our gender relations and politics over here aren’t fucked-up enough to generate that kind of shit ourselves. Also we don’t mutilate genitals.
Or, differently put: Take all the pain you’ve ever seen within the community created by ace and bi erasure, about TERFy enmity, about transmeds, about whatnot, and funnel it onto a young kid who has no letter, not even the “A” for ally they stole from the aces, because why would you give a fuck about ally status when you’re bitter and want to let off steam. Do that in queer spaces. Do that with your therapist, don’t do it in a public political space – the 12yolds are reading – and even more so don’t try to justify it as “part of the struggle”. And actively work against queer spaces becoming self-pity circlejerks of bitterness. Be uppity, be brash, be loud, be fun, be colourful, don’t be aggressive. Hug a homophobe they hate that, don’t spit fire on them their neuroses love that.
Lol how is that LGBT ideology?
It isn’t, and it is. As said: A matter of perspective. What it definitely is part of is the theory of praxis.
Queer theory itself certainly doesn’t vibe with the essentialism inherent in stuff like “kill all men”. But that doesn’t mean that the two don’t get associated in a 12yold’s brain if “kill all men” is what he hears from a blue-haired lesbian. I’m talking in caricatures, of course, just vaguely gesturing at broader political/social interactions.
And, also, granted, in a different socio-economic environment that blue-haired lesbian probably wouldn’t matter, at all (might even have been a political lesbian appropriating queerness). But our 12yold is also seeing his parents getting fired from their jobs, denied housing assistance, is getting made fun of for it in school, is simultaneously worrying about how to, one time, get a girl and found a family and the situation looks dire indeed – not a siltation which would be conducive of taking a level-headed look at the situation and conclude “that women was just angry, it doesn’t mean anything”. Instead, it’s a convenient point to project generalised ire at, a scapegoat silencing that overpowering help- and hopelessness.
So, in short: “Why do they hate us”? Probably, almost certainly, not for any good reason. That doesn’t mean that nothing can be done to make em love you, in fact it wouldn’t be hard at all because they’re love-starved and looking for at least a hope of a better future. Take them along for the ride and you’ll have an ally for life. Antagonise them, don’t step in when others pointlessly antagonise them, and you shot yourself in the knee.
Lmfao ramblings of a doofus
You’re not talking in caricatures or vaguely gesturing broadly. You’re creating a strawman.
None of that is real and then the question becomes two for, why the hell are you calling it queer theory or gay agenda or gender ideology. Because you’re fucked by propaganda.
Second part, how do you say all this and not question the current “sTrAiGhT tHeOrY” existence we live
why the hell are you calling it queer theory
I’m calling it queer theory because that’s what it’s called. It’s where terms like “heteronormative” come from. Much of it is about the relationship between social norms, or just what’s common, and non-normative individuals, with a particular focus on sexual and gender minorities. And it, indeed, does not look too kindly on gender essentialism because that would mean erasure of non-binary gender experiences. Also because queer theorists don’t like normativity which essentialism boils down to in practice, in one way or the other.
I am, broadly speaking, a huge fan of it. If I were to critique it… well, it isn’t neuroqueer theory. I like the name though, “queer” should IMHO also apply to neurodivergent people. Can we get a letter? N is free, isn’t it?
“gay agenda”, “gender ideology” are terms you randomly introduced into the conversation.
Second part, how do you say all this and not question the current “sTrAiGhT tHeOrY” existence we live
You mean… heteronormativity? The kind of shit that queer theory analyses? Also there’s plenty of queer straights around. Like, aces exist, trans folks exist. Enbies can also be straight.
Kid reads Tumblr and has Internet access, thinks he knows anything. You’re on the Internet too much and it is showing, you do not engage in any sort of academic setting
You literally speak of these characters as if they’re real people and that’s how they really act. Spewing words like queer theory and gender ideology. People are fuckin hilarious
That’s not remotely the problem. Women having agency allows many good things, and complaining about LGBTQ+ people wanting rights is bigoted.
The problem was that his campaign was entirely founded on hatred, and there are a lot of hateful people. LGBTQ+ was one target. Other targets were women, Haitians, hispanic immigrants (both legal and undocumented), etc.
In gaming specifically, DEI became a target as well. Guess who made a big stink about it to start with?
It’s honestly disgusting.
