Winn always made my skin crawl!
Yeah, but you’re supposed to dislike Winn, she’s the villain. Her acting was perfect for the role.
Personally I absolutely love Winn … because I hate her character so much.
As soon as I see her in an episode I know I’m gonna enjoy it because she’ll leave a lasting memory for me as to why I dislike her so much. Louise Fletcher is such a beautiful actress because she makes you forget you’re watching a TV show and makes you absolutely want to step into an air lock and blast yourself out into the vacuum of space just to leave her presence.
I will never stop loving to hate Louise Fletcher characters. She was amazing.
She reminds me of Joffrey from GoT in that sense.
yup. it wasn’t until the final season that I recognized her as Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over… damn fine casting, and she’s an impressive actress, it takes SKILL to make people hate you like that.
Her too.
I don’t recognize her. What show?
Keiko. Both TNG & DS9. Miles O’Brien’s wife.
Wait, people would seriously put her as ‘most annoying’ on TNG or DS9? Next to Wesley and Winn?!
Yes. Her back story is of a smart, driven scientist. Her DS9 portrayal is of a nagging wife. It’s one of the few character writing misses on the show.
Hmm, I don’t really remember that. OTOH, it HAS been a long time since I’ve watched DS9. I rewatched TNG more recently, so I have that Keiko in mind.
MASH.
3 Body Problem
People hated Wesley more than they hated Pulaski.
I always liked Wesley
all us kids did, i think
Hmm, it’s been a while since something reminded me of alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die
Usenet?
Yep. Blast from the past.
At least she called out her husband who cut bonuses
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Right?
Dukat has entered the chat
He’s hated. But in a way that makes you want to see more of him.
That’s true. We LOVE to hate him.
I truly love that the writers set Dukat up for a redemption arc, but that he chose to become worse instead.
A perfect example of the magnificent bastard trope.
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Maybe I’m alone on this, but I found a lot of the story lines with Neelix from Voyager to be hard to watch.
I found most of Voyager to be too cringy to watch.
It was just such a weird vibe, like they targeted it for kids who liked trek, and ultra-horny neckbeards at the exact same time.
The hormones didn’t come in until seven of nine in the way late seasons. And she’s no different than Troi, except more useful on the ship.
Are you forgetting the leotard stretching scene…? Or almost anything Troi wore in the early seasons?
No, that was bad too.
I mean, s1 and s2 was very cringy too, but they had episodes that were very well written by people other than Roddenberry, and we all tend to blank out trauma in our past.
Voyager? This wasn’t the first trek show in decades, we weren’t dying for want of decent scifi, we had tng, ds9, b5, farscape was coming online, stargate too, and before Voy finished we had The Phantom Menace and the Matrix.
The mid-late 90s were a golden age for media, our standards had increased dramatically particularly for writing.
For TNG I’d say 50% of episodes are either forgettable or near-unwatchable, with a bias towards the early seasons, S3 and S4 are just gold though.
Voyager, I have a few episodes I like (, but many more I can’t watch, the writing is just so uneven.
Btw, I have a warm spot in my heart for Enterprise, I think it got a majorly unfair rap, but the first 2 seasons are similar in their unevenness, though Season 4 is again, just gold.
we had The Phantom Menace
Hey, I thought we were talking about decent examples of sci fi
TNG … 50%
I’d put it more like 25%. That being said, I def consult episode guides when I’m rewatching and skip accordingly.
Hey, I thought we were talking about decent examples of sci fi
Yeah, they kind of screwed the pooch when they brought that up. Sort of negates the rest of their argument.
Did you see it in theaters when it came out?
I think we’re spoiled with all the cgi enabled scifi now, it didn’t hold as well as the ot (and the st is rancid garbage) but the prequels were epochal at the time, mass market, high budget scifi, alongside indepdence day they changed everything.
I did. And the CG is not my problem with that movie. The plot and the characters and the dialogue are my problem with that movie. If a movie is good but the effects aren’t, I’m fine with it. I don’t generally watch movies just because they look cool.
Shut up, Wesley
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and Wil Wheaton agrees
Arising from the ashes, Rey Skywalker joins the fray.
Seriously tho I have seen way more mainstream hate for Rey.
Not that Star Wars is scifi as much as space opera. Nor does it technically count as a TV series as much as a film series.
flipping through my big list of Star Wars characters to dislike
There are so many people ahead of her on the list.
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Prequels C3PO, all the cringe and none of the comedy
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Rose Tico, the plot hook that can’t act
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Watto, the flying anti-semitism
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Snoke, what are you even doing here? The practice sphere Luke spared with in A New Hope advanced the plot more than you did.
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Porkins, the pilot who couldn’t hold it together
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Maz Kanata, a bargain basement Yoda and absolutely abhorrent waste of Lupita Nyong’o’s talents
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Jar Jar Binks
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Everyone who made the Star Wars Christmas Special possible
I get being a bit annoyed that they gender-swapped Luke Skywalker got to just kinda mime her way through the first three movies. But if the worst thing Disney did was file the serial numbers of the George Lucas originals and ad a splash of color to the cast, I can almost forgive them for it.
Even just within the third trilogy… Daisy Ridley was fucking trying to give that ham of a script some spice. And she managed to leave more on the table than Hayden Christensen did with the Anakin role. Hell, she ran circles around the desiccated corpse of Harrison Ford, an honorable mention for some of the worst performance in the series.
She’s not even in the top five worst characters in the sixth best Star Wars series. Cut her some slack.
Just to be clear, I was more commenting on how much hate I saw for her, because I’m pretty much on the same page as you in terms of how I feel about it. It’s pretty silly to be mad about.
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You leave Porkins alone. That man was a hero.
(I fully agree with everything else though.)
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I think she’s the banner target for frustration with the Disney sequels. Almost like Jar Jar for people who didn’t like the prequels, although now that it’s been 20 years people don’t seem to hate Jar Jar as much.
Yeah. It’s worst for the most recent movie, because we’re always afraid the latest bad movie is the last one we will get.
For example, I probably don’t need to hate Pacific Rim 2, so much, and I might stop if we get some better sequels.
It doesn’t help that they basically refused to flesh out her character like there was some sort of overarching secret that was going to make it totally worth it. They kind of screwed up the algorithm, like in lost you can have mystery building mystery but you need to give away decent hints on the way through and through no fault of her own her character was just kind of bland.
To this day I am still sad Kira wasn’t the one to do her in at the end.
Oh that would have been so nice, the last episode was very much “quick, we need to tie these threads!”
Kira going to save him from a trap through her faith somehow would have been so much cooler.
Bester was so damn good. Babylon 5 made me realise that Trek kind of squandered his acting talent a bit by making him a goofy Russian comic relief character.
The worst part about Bester is that sometimes…he was right.
It’s clearly Neelix.
Yeah, early Neelix is the reigning champ. He may be slightly less so if he had just kept his original outfit from ep 1 instead of his technicolor seizure suit.
They made Tuvix in an explicit attempt to show that comparatively Neelix isn’t such a monstrosity.
They only partially succeeded.God save Janeway the caffeinated for saving the day!
One was clearly meant to be hated.
Concurring, and it seems a popular opinion here.
There is a world of difference between a character you hate seeing, and a character that you love to hate.
I love the way the two principle evils of DS9 are both motivated by a deep conviction that they have been treated unfairly.
Why is Charly Burke hated? Because she replaced Alara?
Replacing Alara didn’t help, and her PTSD aspect was really the most compelling per of her character. What really turned me off about her was how she could do everything. Need someone who can play 5 dimensional squidgyball? She’s already got her racket. The character was forced with poor writing to complete an arc too quickly. I like what the writers and show runners were trying and all, but the short seasons and long episode format weren’t great for telling that story.
Charly is hated because she looks like a Fox Newz Gurl on the bridge and it’s just too convenient. Her acting is fine but there was no discernible angle there - why? I only found out she was Seth MacFarlane’s girlfriend after the season was over. Then I was like “Oohhhhhhhh. So that’s what that was about”
Yeah.
Burke was a horrible racist and bigot who went against the entire point of the academy. If I can see her as an awful bigot, in her futuristic society she must have been the equivalent of a klan member. She was a horrible person through her entire existence and we’re supposed to like her cause she redeemed herself in the last 10 seconds? Nah she sucks. Also she wasn’t really a proper character, just a racist Alara clone
In all fairness alot of it stemmed from the fact she watched her partner die after they were betrayed by a supposedly ally - trust from that wouldn’t come back quickly.
Would have liked to see the series carry on a bit more though
I get that. But if she’s that compromised, she should never have been on active duty and serving alongside the race she was prejudice against.
Extention level threat, qualified officer, not injured who can serve. Predjiced against said event.
100% would be allowed to stay.
Me too!
But I understand why the writers had a hard time justifying Kira killing Keiko in cold blood.
