My parents legitimately believe ivermectin is a cure all and are stockpiling it. They take it for just about anything. They also believe plenty of other wacky things like viruses don’t exist and cancer is just a fungal infection.
My dad last year nearly lost his foot after it got infected. They let it fester for months and only treated it with like essential oils or some other pseudoscience. He eventually had to go to the emergency room and stay at the hospital and receive antibiotics. 🙄
And immediately saw the error in his ways? Absolutely not. These people get sick to the point of dying. Go to the emergency room and get healed through real medicine and the efforts of a dozen nurses and a doctor or two. Then they leave and brag to their friends and family “see told you I’d be fine” and never give credit to the REAL medicine that fixed the issue.
“See? Told you I’d be fine.”
“Dad, you need to take off your leg to go through airport security.”
Airplane!_MetalDetectorScene.MP4
Many of my relatives are diehard MAGA. So, when Trump said not to wear masks or quarantine, my aunt and her husband and son went out of their way to basically spend every second they could at superspreader events. They were warned it was dangerous, not restricted in any way, but still felt the need to act out to validate political feelings.
Naturally, they all caught COVID in the early days. My uncle and cousin both passed, leaving my aunt as a devastated shell of a woman. When we would see each other at family dinners she would usually just sit with a far-off, forlorn look. Every once in a while she would tune in for a bit to spout some pro-Trump bullshit. I wanted to scream “He helped to kill your family!”
I decided to just stop spending time with these people before I said something I would regret.
But would you really regret screaming ‘he helped to kill your family’? I think it would be awesome … unless there’s a significant inheritance at stake.
The woman’s mind is broken. She’s a cult victim. If she’s not actively harming OP, why would being cruel help now? She’s already killed her husband, in her mind. She’s fucked already.
She’s already killed her husband, in her mind
Are you sure? Sounded like she might still be in denial.
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My dad literally will not talk to me because I refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure. He’s angry at me for some study or article that he thinks I am obsessed with (I honestly have no idea what he’s talking about), and insists I retract my belief in it or we can’t have a relationship. Since I haven’t the first clue what he’s even on about, he made his choice…
Can’t wait for the next round of crackpot email forwards. Hopefully he sticks to his word and won’t contact me anymore.
Edit - the last time I spoke with him was at my step mom’s funeral, where she had just died of cancer, which they treated with….I’ll give you one guess.
We aren’t dealing with rational people.
I guess I can somewhat understand his obstinance towards you. If he admits he’s wrong, he also has to admit he had a hand in killing his wife through willful ignorance.
Truth hurts.
refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure
What sucks the most is that ivermectin is a miracle cure! It just isn’t helpful again COVID or Hantavirus. The 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded (in part) for discovering ivermectin.
It’s what frustrates me the most about discussion with people like this. They’re willing to take a random drug, a drug that is fully backed by the medical community, but they’re not willing to take the drug actually recommended by the medical community.
This is my favorite anti-anti-vax argument. You won’t take one medicine, here have another with the same medical backing 😂
I’m also not talking to your father on behalf of you
I have a similar experience with my own father after he started using TikTok and Instagram, though it’s not about ivermectin (spoiler: he thinks I’m a “commie”). I think old people are just not equipped to survive on the internet. It’s like they lack the instincts to known when they’re being scammed.
It gives me a tiny bit of hope for the future, because even though gen alpha aren’t exactly the brightest generation so far, they’re at least all fully attuned to the internet and (hopefully) better equipped to navigate its many perils.
I think old people are just not equipped to survive on the internet
I think its people in general
During lock down when people were at home and having to amuse themselves some made bread and did arts and crafts, whilst others ended up jumping off a cliff into conspiracy theories and right wing bollocks
One guy I know of suggested ivermectin and dog dewormers to treat my bf’s cancer because ‘cancer is caused by parasites… there’s plenty of information on the internet… you can do your own research…etc etc’
I used to think the average person was mostly decent and sensible, but not anymore
Idk what the hell happened to baby boomers. When I was growing up my parents (boomers) constantly reminded me you can’t believe everything you read online and that the “girl” I was chatting with on AIM could actually be some fat 40 year old pedo.
That wasn’t uncommon, that was the same experience all my buddies had and same thing was drilled into us at school.
Now, I’m seeing these folks treat memes on Facebook like it’s the gospel truth. Or some random mommy blog post with zero references as straight facts. It’s so maddening … What happened to these people?
At least your parents are free from intestinal parasites
Well at least they don’t have worm parasites.
It does work well for those things.
Yeah but not a worm in sight!
At least it’s not shungight. Viral medical trends are problematic when they get sold as cure calls, bad when it’s unfounded, worse when it’s half true. Poisons the well.
IMO, this is one of the consequences of not having universal health insurance that isn’t talked about enough. If the bar for going to the doctor is “about to lose a limb from infection”, then people become vulnerable to pseudo-scientific garbage, simply because they hardly ever receive advice from actual medical professionals.
This is one my comment talking point. When people have to think about “can I afford this?” anytime they need to goto the doctor, then they’ll only go when it’s serious. But they are not qualified medical professionals to decide what needs medical attention or not. So they seek advice from other people, past experiences and Internet and we have this problem.
Honestly, it shouldn’t cost that much to just goto a doctor’s office and return. We don’t need MD for everything, have other professional people there that are qualified enough to tell you when something doesn’t need attention, or simple solutions. Maybe just cleaning a scrap, or giving you a brace for minor sprain, all those without having to see MD.
I have a lump that my doctor recommended I go see a specialist for a look. But I am waiting for my insurance to settle the bill / or wait to be able to afford both bills.
We need to go back to printed almanacs
Agreeing about universal healthcare but adding sufficient PTO to go to the Dr.
Add to that the pleatora of fraudulent TV doctors
100 % this. Also maybe overall education quality as well?
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Vaccines are often free here
That’s great, but I’m talking about broad coverage of health care needs and a general habit of seeing a doctor when you’re sick, injured etc.
Many of my fellow Canadians fell for that shit, and they have free access to doctors.
(Not all of them, because our healthcare system is weirdly understaffed, but many of them)
I noticed Canada is recruiting healthcare professionals from the US, and one of the things they really like is being able to provide healthcare without the middleman insurance companies denying healthcare.
The bar for a lot of us is also at “about to lose a limb from infection”. The only difference is that we don’t get a hospital bill to go with that visit.
In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.
18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That’s just the ones we know of.
One thing we know for sure is that ivermectin is about as magic as they say it is for parasites only. It’s a fantastic drug for that.
Over 60% of low income citizens would likely feel much better after getting their parasites removed from ivermectin. So what they are seeing, seems true. They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.
This ivermectin religion has real miracles, it’s just not the ones they think they are. This belief is entirely created because Americans don’t have healthcare. That’s why this belief isn’t found elsewhere.
18% of Americans haven’t ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven’t seen one for 5 years.
What the fuck? Have you a source for those numbers because they’re shocking
Hmm looks like some stats I pulled were from polls, and I fell victim to people paraphrasing that around 20% of rural people not having a primary care doctor in the last few years as “not even having seen a doctor” sorry about that.
40% of Americans haven’t seen a doctor in 5 years: https://studyfinds.org/americans-avoiding-the-doctor/ https://www.aarp.org/pri/topics/health/coverage-access/health-care-rural-america/?
But the limited stats on primary care and a lot of self reporting is very bad.
62% parasites infection: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.10.23284404v1.full
Typing in “southern united states rural primary care access” in Kagi has a lot of sad results.
You got the fucking receipts
Thank you! They are some wild numbers.
I haven’t seen a doctor in at least a decade and a half, when my parents took me to checkups as a child. I’m very lucky to be healthy, and am in the gym 3-5 days a week to keep my streak going as long as possible.
However, I’m calling bullshit on this:
A number of studies in low income communities in the south show that over 60% of people in those communities have intestinal parasites. That’s just the ones we know of.
That sounds insane to me. 60% is a motherfucking epidemic. Where’s the source for these studies???
It’s extremely common in Africa. My ex who was Zulu hated that you couldn’t get deworming here. Ignore the fact that in Ontario you aren’t getting worms. She brought her misconceptions that KZN is like here.
They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.
Pretty much this, although it seems freeing the immune system from fighting the worm infection really does help it in fighting the Coronavirus infection: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted (Ctrl+F “The Synthesis”).
TL;DR: Studies showing a positive effect from Ivermectin on Covid came mostly from areas with high worm infection incidence, areas with low incidence showed no or smaller positive effect.
NB: Link is a selfhosted Substack, works better with JavaScript turned off.
Covid spread easily; I don’t think hantavirus is as easy to spread. However, it’s much more deadly and can be dormant for 60 days, spreading itself.
We’re pretty fucked.
Settle down, we are not fucked. Hantavirus has been around forever, even this strain.
Honestly. So much overreaction about this. Everyone is letting the news work their manipilative bullshit spreading panic and fear so you keep tuning in and clicking o
Its pretty sad to see how many people on the fediverse are falling for the bs
Has it spread human to human? I thought that was a new thing.
It does with this strain/variant which is why this story is newsworthy. But the usual one does not. There have been localized outbreaks of this one in the past but never a worldwide pandemic.
The andes strain has been around for some time and can be transmitted from person to person but it requires long term exposure and liquid exchange. If it spread it would be very slow to do so.
We let them the first time too. If you want to eat horse paste who am I to stop you?
Actually by sheer volume they were taking all the horse paste away from the horses who needed it so rural supply stores had to lock down their supplies for only people who could prove they owned livestock.
Humans were consuming so much horse paste that there was a shortage?! That’s wild.
I guess I never really knew why so many people associate ivermectin with horses. I would not have guessed that 😆
As a Canadian who lives on a farm…
That is so so sad. America is doomed.
And remember, if you get sick with the hantavirus you can get over it quickly by taking 2x the LD50 of Tylenol. A couple of days and you won’t even feel sick. Be sure to tell all your conservative friends because the government likes to cover up this kind of information.
you can get over it quickly by taking 2x the LD50 of Tylenol.
I died at this.
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Here. Drink this, Murderface.
Ah, it’s refreshing to see her back to saying crazy bullshit again.
Yup, was scary finding myself agreeing with her for a while there…
Remember, she changed and began to agree with us for a short time. Our view never changed.
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I love when science memes is just US politics.
I don’t. Lots of people are gonna die or get disabled because of these idiots.
Just Americans though hopefully
Hahaha! You think we have all the idiots! HAHAHA! MOTHERFUCKER WE EXPORT THAT SHIT!!!
They grow natively everywhere. The internet speads fertilizer.
Why is ivermectin always the cure to every disease? My grandmother has tumors and my mom mentioned getting her ivermectin. Wtf am I missing here?
Someone told them NO. You cant do that.
That made them feel mad and feel stupid.
Then someone told them that they were right and that someone else was actually the stupid one.
Then they felt better.
Better than better, they now have the secret knowledge and everyone else are the stupid ones.
This is the formula for modern society (esp. social media).
Religion too.
Yeah, I pretty much mean it is the formula for human cognition.
There is no logic, only horse medicine.
Healthy as a horse and all, right?
Honestly, my suspicion is that you can easily get the stuff. I’ve gotten it for my dog once or twice (it’s a lot cheaper than dog dewormer, despite basically being the same thing), and all you have to do is go into a Tractor supply or the like and it’s right on the shelf, no restrictions or anything. This is in contrast to actual medicine, where I have to go to a CVS or the like to pay an overpriced amount for something that is more regulated, and might even be a bit of a placebo effect in the first place (look at flu meds for an example of that).
All of this mostly seems to speak more to the degrading of the American healthcare system due to costs ballooning beyond what some of the poorer in society can afford, so they are more willing to try folk remedies that may or may not work. And in the case of your grandmother, is she gonna risk paying a lot of her life savings to cure her tumors if they aren’t benign (without a guarantee that it will work), or is she just gonna hope that the $10 treatment might make her feel better? If they’re benign, then the $10 treatment “worked”, and if they’re not, then she’ll get expensive treatment anyway, just probably be in a worse position to get it.
It’s just one of the tenets of belief from the orange man conspiracy cult. They joined that cult and chose their special secret conspiracy “facts” to believe in.
Morons
I mean it cures worms in horses, so it must be omnipotent
I did some limited research on this and there are a few studies that suggest ivermectin could disrupt tumors from forming. But certainly not enough evidence to suggest using it for that purpose given the risk of adverse effects.
Even with the best medical care, Hantavirus has a 20% fatality rate.
Let’s just hope that conservatives continue being so anti-vaccine… a few more pandemics with human-transmissible highly-fatal viruses and maybe we can get that socialist utopia that the right always cock-blocks us from achieving.
Last time I checked, most Democrats are pro-vaccine and very pro-capitalist.
Democrats are not “of the left”, they are actually right-lite.
Aside from a tiny handful of Dems like AOC and Bernie - who would be classified as solid centrists in any other country - there are no politicians “on the left” anywhere at the Federal level.
Yeah, I agree with you, but Democrat “right-lite” (or whatever you want to call them) are still getting their shots.
Most republicans even RFK and Trump are for sure vaccinated against every disease and virus etc. They just know how to pander to suckers, the DNC expects you to admit you’re a sucker but just a sucker to vote for them
Just so everyone is clear, this is total bullshit — I understand MTG has had her broken clock moments but she’s still batshit insane.
Batshit crazy but there’s a high chance she’s dumping trump ship just in time to make something like Carlson MTG 2028
Ivermectin comes in apple flavor if y’all are worried about the taste.
/s
Ivermectin? I hardly knew her.
This doctor was previously suspended for vaccine misinformation and now has a complaint against her by the texas medical board for numerous violations of professional conduct, including prescribing medication without ever meeting or examining a patient.
She filed a defamation lawsuit against the hospital which she lost. Ouch. Best of luck to her in keeping her certification, and in finding a new job! She should become trumps personal dr.
Colloquial silver works wonders when taken in high doses
Spoiler: it’ll turn your skin blue. These idiots should be labeled like smufs
colloidal?
In the streets we call it colloquial silver.
People that blue themselves pretty much did it on purpose. Afaik it’s not permanent.
Afaik it’s not permanent.
jonathan frakes telling you you’re wrong for 47 seconds
Argyria worsens and builds up as exposure to silver continues, and does not resolve once exposure stops because the silver atoms cannot be removed from the skin and other tissues.
Afaik it’s not permanent.
You would think…
