The amount of people I hear discussing their surprise satisfaction with electronic tools is pretty astounding, even coming from electrical engineers and similar. The skepticism and doubt, propaganda from Big Combustion is real 🤠
I’m not sure if it was intentional or if brushless motors are really that much more powerful but electric tools are far better now than they were even just 10 years ago.
Battery pack improvements have to be right up there with why electric have gotten so much better now.
The new tabless batteries in particular are a good step forward even with older tools. And they are last 18 months or less depending on your tool colour of choice.
Really big tools like most landscaping or concrete tools that use the really big batteries (think back pack batteries) have an insane amount of watts they can push out.
I never used petrol tools but I did use mains tools a lot due to the extra power but now 240v is often lower than the top battery tools now.
I was an early adopter of an electric lawnmower, which I regretted. That thing had so little power that I had to mow like every 3 days or it would just push the grass over. I went back to gas after one season. However I went back to electric 5 years ago or so, and it’s FAR better. But for a blower, or weed eater, electric has always been superior.
A landscaping crew would require more batteries and/or a method to charge on the go. Cost might be prohibitive to do that now but in time it might work out. Imagine if you have a large battery in a trailer that charges up all the small batteries between sites or solar on the roof.
Considering most landscaping work is done in the summer months maybe a move to a different Lithium chemistry that is cheaper but doesn’t like cold as much could be beneficial for pro tools.
It probably depends on the batteries, battery market, and repair market. We don’t really expect batteries to last a decade. The repairability of these tools is a concern.
Meanwhile, it’s pretty common to repair gas tools. Sometimes from multiple broken ones. Powering the gas tools is similarly simple. None of it requires a company to continue to develop their proprietary product to run.
This is an industry and a market that has been around for decades. I suspect the limited part supply and limited repairability of the electric tools is going to limit their practical lifetime compared to the existing ones on the market.
Great point about repairability. I’ve seen some interesting videos of EV repairs on cars with odd pack issues. Very specialized work right now but assuming skills will develop over time that makes it much easier.
I know a beekeeper who has a power inverter hooked up to his truck. He uses it to charge the batteries for both his power tools and bee vacuum systems. He can even use it to run regular plug-in AC devices. Lawn crews can just have the backup batteries charging while they drive from job to job.
Why wouldn’t those crews just charge their equipment from the alternator? It’s additional wear and tear or the alternator, but far cheaper than a generator
Don’t forget electric weedeater and mowers are not designed for constant use. My buddy and I back in the day had a mowing business in Dallas, Texas. We had gas mower but electric weedeater. We had to replace it twice because it burn up after using it constant for 3 days. Don’t know why we didn’t buy gas one. I remember we used electric to begin with because all we had. But later? Guess they were cheaper back then.
You underestimate just how big and heavy of a battery you would need to power a leaf blower all day. Gasoline has 50-80x more energy density than a lithium battery.
I suppose you could bring a bank of smaller batteries with you and swap them out throughout the day, but that means another piece of equipment to lug around, and climate control becomes an issue if you live in a hot climate. Batteries and heat are not a good combo for safety and reliability.
This all sounds like FUD to me. You might as easily complain about how much harder it is to refill the gas tank than swap the batteries a few times.
Lithium Ion batteries generally have a maximum optimal operating temperature of 122°F but will operate up to 176°F. If the temperature is approaching 176°F, I think the human will be the first thing to fail.
Also, nobody needs to lug around a full day of power. Spare batteries can stay in the truck until needed, at most you would have one spare on your person.
You’re talking as if it’s some kind of new unknown technology and there is no way to know if it’s even viable.
I was using battery operated tools when I worked in construction like 20 years ago, and they were performing fine.
That’s the magic thing in the word “replaceable”. They are, you know, can be replaced. While you use one, the other is charging, and then you replace them. Just like, you know, construction workers are doing for the last at least three decades.
I was thinking in the context of a landscaping company driving to a bunch of different clients’ houses and doing general cleanup and maintenance, lawn mowing etc at each one. Electric lawnmowers now have dual battery packs that you can swap between, each one lasting about an hour. I wouldn’t expect a leaf blower to be much different in power requirements. Could probably even share the same battery design with the mower.
If you’re only doing an hour or less of leafblowing per client then you can just keep swapping batteries and have spares in the van/truck. For a really big job you might need more but then you could probably ask the client if you can plug your charger into their house to charge. I think a lot of people have outdoor outlets. Otherwise you could have a charger in the vehicle.
Power usage on an electric blower is very different than other power tools. With a drill you are not constantly revving it. You use it for a few seconds to drive a screw and then setup for the next one. With the blower it’s running continuously.
I have a drill than can run on a battery for most of a days work, while my leaf blower using the same batteries gets maybe 20 minutes of use, if I am conserving it.
I’m not a landscaper, so maybe it can be done, but I’ll believe electric is better when the landscaping companies start using electric tools, just like carpenters switched from wired to battery when it made sense.
It can take a while to switch over. If a landscaping company has been running for years they’ll have a lot invested into gas powered tools that they aren’t just going to throw away. Plus they’ll have a lot of experience and familiarity with the way their tools work and how they fit into their workday. Switching over to electric would be a big investment in tools plus a bunch of re-training and planning to avoid issues with running out of batteries on a job.
A company owner who does their research could potentially get ahead of the game and save a lot of money on fuel costs by switching to electric before their competitors.
Do you just assume that Gas powered leafblowers are lighter or did you do some research?
I did a Quick check and found that electric leafblowers are way lighter and allow you to carry around some extra batteries, without carrying more overall.
The Husqvarna battery BLi30 weights 1.9kg. Considering Gas powered leafblowers from Husqvarna are often 6-8kg heavier (up to 10kg for the big ones), you can carry around at least 3 extra batteries without adding weight.
You get 5 minutes drive between clients bud. This whole thread is just City dwellers thinking they’re dunking on rural folks without a shit of a clue and it’s part of why both conservatives and leftists hate liberals
Oh boy, rugged no nonsense suburban cowboy who drives 5 minutes between houses to move some leaves around, is trying to play big.
You, fucking libs, will not survive a day in out suburban town driving air conditioned truck from home to home to stand on a lawn and blow leaves around. You have no idea how hard the real life is, sometimes you don’t even get lemonade from the client, and standing on a lawn is a hard job none of you city dwellers will understand!
Good, they aren’t needed anymore since electric ones do the same job.
The amount of people I hear discussing their surprise satisfaction with electronic tools is pretty astounding, even coming from electrical engineers and similar. The skepticism and doubt, propaganda from Big Combustion is real 🤠
I’m not sure if it was intentional or if brushless motors are really that much more powerful but electric tools are far better now than they were even just 10 years ago.
Battery pack improvements have to be right up there with why electric have gotten so much better now.
The new tabless batteries in particular are a good step forward even with older tools. And they are last 18 months or less depending on your tool colour of choice.
Really big tools like most landscaping or concrete tools that use the really big batteries (think back pack batteries) have an insane amount of watts they can push out.
I never used petrol tools but I did use mains tools a lot due to the extra power but now 240v is often lower than the top battery tools now.
I was an early adopter of an electric lawnmower, which I regretted. That thing had so little power that I had to mow like every 3 days or it would just push the grass over. I went back to gas after one season. However I went back to electric 5 years ago or so, and it’s FAR better. But for a blower, or weed eater, electric has always been superior.
What year was the weak one purchased?
I don’t remember exactly, but it would have been somewhere around 2010? Black and Decker.
You absolutely don’t need to buy garden tools that run on gas. The electric equivalent is at the same level or even better.
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A landscaping crew would require more batteries and/or a method to charge on the go. Cost might be prohibitive to do that now but in time it might work out. Imagine if you have a large battery in a trailer that charges up all the small batteries between sites or solar on the roof.
Considering most landscaping work is done in the summer months maybe a move to a different Lithium chemistry that is cheaper but doesn’t like cold as much could be beneficial for pro tools.
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These types of companies may not have tons of disposable income to invest in this but as they need new tools it will probably phase in.
It probably depends on the batteries, battery market, and repair market. We don’t really expect batteries to last a decade. The repairability of these tools is a concern.
Meanwhile, it’s pretty common to repair gas tools. Sometimes from multiple broken ones. Powering the gas tools is similarly simple. None of it requires a company to continue to develop their proprietary product to run.
This is an industry and a market that has been around for decades. I suspect the limited part supply and limited repairability of the electric tools is going to limit their practical lifetime compared to the existing ones on the market.
Great point about repairability. I’ve seen some interesting videos of EV repairs on cars with odd pack issues. Very specialized work right now but assuming skills will develop over time that makes it much easier.
I know a beekeeper who has a power inverter hooked up to his truck. He uses it to charge the batteries for both his power tools and bee vacuum systems. He can even use it to run regular plug-in AC devices. Lawn crews can just have the backup batteries charging while they drive from job to job.
That’s pretty sweet. More car company’s are including provisions for these types of systems built in to accommodate the changing trends too.
This isn’t true anymore. Go check out greenworks commercial line.
Or Ego.
Why wouldn’t those crews just charge their equipment from the alternator? It’s additional wear and tear or the alternator, but far cheaper than a generator
Don’t forget electric weedeater and mowers are not designed for constant use. My buddy and I back in the day had a mowing business in Dallas, Texas. We had gas mower but electric weedeater. We had to replace it twice because it burn up after using it constant for 3 days. Don’t know why we didn’t buy gas one. I remember we used electric to begin with because all we had. But later? Guess they were cheaper back then.
Probably burned up the brushes in the electric motors. Those are usually replaceable. Many tools are now available in brushless.
This was in 1999 and it was a cheap weedeater.
Man you would be surprised how much the technology has improved since 1999
Just because you bought a cheap electric weed eater doesn’t mean it was the electric that was the problem.
As a homeowner, sure. However, if I had a landscaping business, I would need something that can run all day.
Carpenters do just fine all day with electric tools. Replaceable batteries are a thing!
You underestimate just how big and heavy of a battery you would need to power a leaf blower all day. Gasoline has 50-80x more energy density than a lithium battery.
I suppose you could bring a bank of smaller batteries with you and swap them out throughout the day, but that means another piece of equipment to lug around, and climate control becomes an issue if you live in a hot climate. Batteries and heat are not a good combo for safety and reliability.
This all sounds like FUD to me. You might as easily complain about how much harder it is to refill the gas tank than swap the batteries a few times.
Lithium Ion batteries generally have a maximum optimal operating temperature of 122°F but will operate up to 176°F. If the temperature is approaching 176°F, I think the human will be the first thing to fail.
Also, nobody needs to lug around a full day of power. Spare batteries can stay in the truck until needed, at most you would have one spare on your person.
Fairly certain that a battery will immediately get hotter than its surroundings with any kind of sustained use or charging.
176°F
You’re talking as if it’s some kind of new unknown technology and there is no way to know if it’s even viable.
I was using battery operated tools when I worked in construction like 20 years ago, and they were performing fine.
That’s the magic thing in the word “replaceable”. They are, you know, can be replaced. While you use one, the other is charging, and then you replace them. Just like, you know, construction workers are doing for the last at least three decades.
I was thinking in the context of a landscaping company driving to a bunch of different clients’ houses and doing general cleanup and maintenance, lawn mowing etc at each one. Electric lawnmowers now have dual battery packs that you can swap between, each one lasting about an hour. I wouldn’t expect a leaf blower to be much different in power requirements. Could probably even share the same battery design with the mower.
If you’re only doing an hour or less of leafblowing per client then you can just keep swapping batteries and have spares in the van/truck. For a really big job you might need more but then you could probably ask the client if you can plug your charger into their house to charge. I think a lot of people have outdoor outlets. Otherwise you could have a charger in the vehicle.
Power usage on an electric blower is very different than other power tools. With a drill you are not constantly revving it. You use it for a few seconds to drive a screw and then setup for the next one. With the blower it’s running continuously.
I have a drill than can run on a battery for most of a days work, while my leaf blower using the same batteries gets maybe 20 minutes of use, if I am conserving it.
I’m not a landscaper, so maybe it can be done, but I’ll believe electric is better when the landscaping companies start using electric tools, just like carpenters switched from wired to battery when it made sense.
It can take a while to switch over. If a landscaping company has been running for years they’ll have a lot invested into gas powered tools that they aren’t just going to throw away. Plus they’ll have a lot of experience and familiarity with the way their tools work and how they fit into their workday. Switching over to electric would be a big investment in tools plus a bunch of re-training and planning to avoid issues with running out of batteries on a job.
A company owner who does their research could potentially get ahead of the game and save a lot of money on fuel costs by switching to electric before their competitors.
I work trails, carrying a bunch of batteries out into the woods would be awful.
Do you just assume that Gas powered leafblowers are lighter or did you do some research?
I did a Quick check and found that electric leafblowers are way lighter and allow you to carry around some extra batteries, without carrying more overall.
Imo the biggest argument is the price.
I think they will eventually make sense. Extra batteries are very heavy and expensive though (I only have experience with Husqvarna and Stihl)
The Husqvarna battery BLi30 weights 1.9kg. Considering Gas powered leafblowers from Husqvarna are often 6-8kg heavier (up to 10kg for the big ones), you can carry around at least 3 extra batteries without adding weight.
About the same as carrying a full canister of fuel.
You get 5 minutes drive between clients bud. This whole thread is just City dwellers thinking they’re dunking on rural folks without a shit of a clue and it’s part of why both conservatives and leftists hate liberals
Commercial grade electric mowers can run for like 6-8 of straight mowing before a charge. They charge with EV ports like your moms tesla.
She might be a bitch but she drives a Mercedes thank you
Oh boy, rugged no nonsense suburban cowboy who drives 5 minutes between houses to move some leaves around, is trying to play big.
You, fucking libs, will not survive a day in out suburban town driving air conditioned truck from home to home to stand on a lawn and blow leaves around. You have no idea how hard the real life is, sometimes you don’t even get lemonade from the client, and standing on a lawn is a hard job none of you city dwellers will understand!
There’s plenty of landscaping businesses in my area that advertise as fully electric and seem to be making a profit.
And it’s a thing with batteries on your back. Cities around here have these and it works well.