Klingons are amazing. Another example:
I also really appreciated Worf and Martok’s take on Garak’s struggles with claustrophobia
Martok: There is no greater enemy than one’s own fears.
Worf: It takes a brave man to face them.
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Our gods are dead. Ancient Klingon warriors slew them a millennia ago. They were… more trouble than they were worth.
Maybe just one of the many reasons Klingon’s often seem ridiculously awesome. When you reject ancient gods because they were “troublesome” you’re choosing to build a world where the world having no meaning becomes liberating instead of suffocating.
No wonder things like this are so easy for them to understand. No religious baggage!
I like to think of that stance as “positive nihilism” if that makes sense. It is liberating to really feel in your bones that it’s OK to focus on one things that really matter to you rather than the things you’ve been taught should matter to you.
Was it ever made canon that the old Klingon “gods” were a spacefaring race that conquered the still plabet-bound Klingons with superior technology and were eventually overthrown? I feel like that might have been beta canon, or maybe just a very compelling fan theory.
Because their masculinity and confidence in themselves is so impeccable that nothing that anyone any where can say or state about any other sexuality will ever effect them.
They are so comfortable and sure in who they are that nothing they ever see, no matter how different, will ever affect them.
To me, someone who accepts everyone else while maintaining their own surety on themselves is the height of masculinity.
“Waste no more time arguing what a good man should be. Be one.” – Marcus Aurelius
Edit: extrapolated for modernity, rephrase as “good person”
To me, someone who accepts everyone else while maintaining their own surety on themselves is the height of masculinity.
I’m sorry, but are you saying feminine people cannot also do this? Or that it would make them masculine?
What would you say was a positive feminine trait?
All i can think of is the nurturing and protective instinct of mothers that society lionizes, but those apply to men too so i don’t really see them as feminine.
It seems like you see the problem too. I hope you’re able to give the above commenter a break, due to that.
All i did was ask a question, and you have shed no light on that at all. I don’t know what problem you refer to or how your comments relate to what op said. Maybe I’m a moron… I give up.
As did I. So, I’m not sure how you could have a problem with someone else doing the same. Yet here you are.
Either there are no inherently masculine and feminine virtues or the best we have are social constructs that fall short of what we want and picking at people for attempting to present a positive version of masculinity that isn’t just fighting or dominating isn’t helping anyone.
As did I. So, I’m not sure how you could have a problem with someone else doing the same. Yet here you are.
I answered your question and i did not accuse you of picking at me or ask you to give me a break. I am merely frustrated that my initial question has not been answered and you have been a bit cryptic.
So I’ll ask it again in a different way: if i am a woman who is comfortable with themself and unconcerned with other peoples sexualities, does that make me manly? Is this a difficult question? Am i weird if my answer is no? Why is asking this question seen as an attack on positive masculinity?
What you identify as does not matter, as long as you die in battle with honor!
Do they have no joy!?
Show your joy!
Kaplah!
Hab SoSlI’ Quch! >>>:(
nuqjatlh
Mère front lisse
ghewmeyvam’e’ wISovbe’. tlhIngan maH!
I’ve spent too much time on computers.
I don’t see people as their age, gender, color, name, whatever. To me, a person is a construct, that construct is immutable. You, as a person, exist, only your variables change. Your name, age, gender, sex, personality, political views, culture, race, skin color, etc, are all properties of the immutable object that represents you.
In this way, your name, gender, age, political views, etc, can all change, and the human object that is you, never changes.
Technology does this already. A good example is with user accounts for something like active directory (the windows domain login thing). Your user object isn’t assigned by name, or login ID or whatever. You have, what is referred to as a UUID inside of the system. To that UUID, you have parameters like your name, email, phone number, etc, attached to it. When permissions are given, they’re given to your UUID, not to your name.
Because of this, the administrators like me, can update your name, phone number, login, email, etc, without changing what you have access to. Your email account is tied to your UUID as well, so your user object has permission to access that mailbox, and it’s listed in the parameters as your primary mailbox (for stuff like auto configure).
It’s all very basic object oriented stuff.
wait, you literally objectify people
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Fair enough.
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questions about identity are so damn interesting. Like what exactly is being referenced when we say “Sarah” or “Coco-Cola” or “Spain”?
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I’m gonna be pissed if I find out my soul is just some 16 trillion digit hex number.
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I think if humans had visible UUIDs they would still only account for a part of our understanding of a person’s identity. If you could make utterly perfect copies of people like you can with objects and they only differed by their UUID…how different would those two people be really? How many people for example would be happy to replace a dead loved one with such a copy?
Disregarding everything else you mentioned, I’m also extremely curious what exactly is being referenced when you say “Coco-Cola”?
(I realize it’s just a typo, but the idea caught me off guard cause it sounds gross)
Interestingly, most countries have a rudimentary system for giving people identifiers. Like a SSN.
If you could make utterly perfect copies of people like you can with objects and they only differed by their UUID…how different would those two people be really
This made me think of identical twins. Perfect copies, but the minute they are born (for the convenience of tracking experience) they begin to differ. The majority of their properties and attributes remain identical, but their associations and metadata start to change.
Identical twins provide an interesting thought experiment because a lot of times they end up with the same job roles, married to similar people (or even other sets of twins), dress similarly, have similar attitudes and opinions, etc. But in many ways they are just the same genetic code running in a different environment.
If souls are just uuids, then I guess twins are some type of hash collision?
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Honestly, I’ve gained a whole new level of appreciation for Jadzia’s character in recent years, largely in light of how absurdly politicized gender identity and trans rights have become.
wait, so if someone tells you to refer to them in a different way, you can just go “ok” and move on without the smallest hitch in your life? without losing your shit and foaming at the mouth?
nah… no way.
are we sure this particular Klingon didn’t start a podcast later to cry about this for months?
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Wow, I saw that episode, for the first time, like an hour ago.
Oh wow. You have so much more wonderful DS9 ahead of you still!
I hope so!
Though unlike 99.99% of the rest of you, pretty sure when I hit the dominion and changeling stuff I’m going to nope out. I have some vague recollection of bits and pieces I caught and people I’ve talked to about this stuff. I’m guessing that’s what you’re talking about?
I like the moral wrangling and optimism; with characters I can admire. Not the “darker, grittier” and action-y stuff. But I’ll give it a try!
The beauty of old trek is in its episodic nature. Don’t like that episode? Skip it. There’s plenty of great episodes on DS9 that completely sidestep the dominion war. Though I have to say the one with Quark teaching the Vulcan about the price of peace is fantastic.
I just saw that one!
Honor to you and your house!
Kaplah!
Now I feel bad that perhaps her best friend kept calling her “old man”.
Don’t, Jadzia clearly appreciated it.
Trill’s relationships to their past hosts is complicated and never fully explored, but it is clearly established that the distance they create between their current host’s life and that of their past host is something that is enforced apon them by broader trill society.
Both Kurzon and Jadzia were, at least at times, clearly unhappy at the extent to which they had to distance themselves from their past life.
https://youtu.be/Qu-bP5367Yo?si=YNBFC_IUo7o7FpCd
The thing is, Trill are not trans. Dax didn’t go from being a man to a woman. Kurzon was always a man and Jadzia was always a women. And DS9 actually took this concept seriously on its own terms.
If I recall, Kurzon was pressured into leaving the station because she had too many ties to Jadzia’s friends and even her husband.
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If this isn’t sarcasm I’m really sorry for this person.
A core value of scifi is re-contextulizing real life moral, ethical and social situations into fantastical settings where we can look at them without all the baggage.
Here’s the thing. Trill aren’t real. The whole thing is made up… but it is a great example how someones outside appearance and personality can change… even a major part of their biological makeup… But they are still THEM.
it’s called allegory and it’s everywhere in scifi
fuck off then
Star Trek has always been political though?
This post isn’t even saying she is trans or that there was any connection to anything irl, just a way to point out how simple it should be to give someone respect. It’s also not a political agenda being supported, it’s basic decency.
And why tf does it matter which Trek was someone’s first? I wasn’t born in the 50s so I didn’t start with the original series. It’s been going on for decades, people can start wherever.
