Semi collaborative meme. I got some advice and encouragement from @sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz , @SatyrSack@quokk.au , and the enlightened mod @ummthatguy@lemmy.world. You can see the sausage making/brainstorming process here :

https://lemmy.world/post/49934354

Also, in reference to our much missed PugJesus …

Explanation : While we like to repeat that Trek has always been woke, some parts of the wardrobe choices have been … more male gaze motivated instead of solely for female empowerment. Actreses did complain about Bergman’s choices and biases more vocally, but always remember your roots kids.

I wanted to back up the specific actress’ viewpoints with sources, but the facts aren’t so cut and dry, and I cannot verify these statements. The meme does capture the mood about the outfits, while it doesn’t necessarily reflect the specific events and actress’ viewpoints.

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

EDIT : Folks, the reason for the thread isn’t just to post the stuff you beat off to in the 90s. I’m not saying don’t post it, but like, I’m saying it was NOT a good thing that it happened.

    • grue@lemmy.world
      13·
      30 days ago

      Nah.

      I mean, yes, in the TNG era it was Rick Berman’s fault. But it goes all the way back to TOS and Gene Roddenberry himself. And also costume designer William Ware Theiss, for that matter.

      From https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheissTitillationTheory :

      Though Theiss was a costume designer, according to Inside Star Trek: The Real Story by Herb Solow and Robert Justman, most of the costumes — following this theory — were actually somewhat more modest before being “improved” by Gene Roddenberry. According to the “Art of Star Trek” book, Theiss preferred to design costumes that only appeared to be in danger of slipping or coming off, through the use of strategically-placed sheer or skin tone fabric. He was further able to enhance the effect by the censorship rules of the time regarding what parts of the body could or could not be shown (the navel being the most well-known restriction). He found he could get surprising amounts of appeal from the carefully-arranged display of skin not generally considered erogenous.

      • MintyAnt@lemmy.world
        6·
        30 days ago

        Yes but also: which, out of all of them, had a sweaty, half naked “rub oil on each other” scene?

        I’m all for star trek having sex and bringing it to the forefront, but woof they need to have at least some finesse to it.

  • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    131·
    30 days ago

    Thanks for the mention. Figured you’d come to a solid concept and you nailed it.

    Once “Dick” Berman was at the helm by Enterprise, the decon chamber scenes became the epitome of his exploitation.

  • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    29 days ago

    Weirdly, the miniskirts in TOS were empowering for the time, but don’t come across that way to modern audiences. They were even proposed by a woman, Grace Lee Whitney, who played Janice Rand. Now, keep in mind that the pants that Number One wore in the pilot were also empowering for the time. Women were expected to wear dresses or skirts that went lower than their knees at the time, and both pants and shorter hemlines were part of the feminist movement at the time. Nowadays, we see women wearing pants in any situation as completely normal and women wearing tiny skirts in professional settings to be very unprofessional, but, well, the sixties were different.

    Edit: I just realized I used ‘at the time’ a lot and it reads kind of weird. Oh well.

  • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
    7·
    30 days ago

    These costumes are for the chuds who miss all the other aspects of Trek until someone points out how progressive it is.

    • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      30 days ago

      Sex sells, this has been a thing since the old pulp sci-fi magazines. Get them in the door with the triple-breasted nympho aliens, so that they stay for the progressive social commentary.