Context: He’s in the files
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Is it because our solar system is hurdling through space at over 1.5 million miles per hour, so anyone who time travels will find themselves alone in an empty void?
There’s no universal frame of reference. Any theoretical time travel would likely need a beacon of some sort to calibrate their arrival point, meaning you couldn’t travel back beyond the point time travel was established.
You know what they say: the best time to build a time machine is 50 years ago.
I think that’s basically the movie Primer too, they’d turn the machine on, go hide in an apartment for X amount of time, then go back to the machine and emerge 5 minutes after they turned it on and just walked away.
But gravity effects time, sticking close to a planet isn’t going to be hard.
Ironically enough the first (if we ever get them) time machines are going to be a hell of a lot like modern “UFOs” are described. You couldn’t risk landing on the planet, elevation changes are what’s really a nightmare to account for. Show up and hour early and everything is a foot higher because of how fast we’re spinning.
So you’d want a space craft, because space is big and empty. And realistically it’s going to take something bigger than a telephone booth or even the 1980s embodiment of Florida on four wheels with a hood designed to do cocaine off of to house a time machine.
If time travel existed, it would be invented at all time periods simultaneously
Show up and hour early and everything is a foot higher because of how fast we’re spinning.
Any actual process for doing it would probably be continuous in some way. Even if it’s just the machine making that part of the trip. Just leaving existence at some time and arriving at a different one doesn’t make a lot of sense.
So, just more reason to do it in space.
Imagine your time machine has spiders at the time of your arrival, because it had a small defect that grew into an opening after several years.
“Ha ha, I can’t see anything, but it seems like time travel tickles”
You can easily cross calculate between various, inertial frames of reference. The problem is that earth isn’t sitting still in an inertial frame. We spin around the sun, and we orbit the center of our galaxy. We also get nudged about by the pull of other stars.
Tracking a time jump (or technically a time-space jump) would be easy, if you just wanted to be within the solar system. With measurements the earth-moon gap would not be too hard. Hitting a surface exactly would be another story. Miss by a meter and your cut in half by a wall or floor.
Just so many assumptions for a science that isnt real or known. Say time travel requires dimensional shift? Where do you land when you enter a new dimension and how do you navigate when you try to return?
Shout out to time bandits.
I’ve seen this take a lot it feels like and it boggles the mind why. If someone figures out time travel they ipso facto will have figured out the space travel as well.
If you can travel through time you can travel through space.
So a more intelligent place than here
On average, yep.
That logic assumes that there is some universal way if measuring the position of the Earth, but there is no absolute system for measuring position in space. Location, distance, velocity, and even simultaneity depend entirely on the choice of a frame of reference. And the frame in which the earth is stationary is no less valid than any other.
Also the type of time machine has a bearing here. The traditional H.G. Wells vehicle-type doesn’t jump, but moves smoothlythrough all the intervening moments in time, so there’s no reason it wouldn’t stay firmly on the surface. And a time portal that forms a connection to the same apparatus at a different time would have no problem either, since the machine itself doesn’t move except in the ordinary way.
If i had a vaccume and a carbon nanotube rotating such that the ends are moving at the speed of light, and another going the opposite direction (no net rotational inertia outside the device), I would have a dimensional anchor as moving it would cause spacetime to exceed the speed limit.
Voila, I just created a sci-fi plot device
My theory is that time travel still follows the curve of the space time continuum.
My theory is time doesn’t actually exist, it’s a construct we made up to explain cause and effect. You can’t travel back in time for the same reason you can’t unbreak an egg. You’d have to figure out how to reverse entropy which per our understanding of physics is the most impossible of all impossible things.
Time travel as a sudden jump seems one of the least plausible implementations, since we have no idea how to do such jumps even in just space or forward in time; and allowing for it would break a lot of physics.
More plausible alternatives include a space-time bridge, meaning both sides can follow Earth’s reference frame; or the Primer-type where one can reverse time in an isolated box in a way where you can only travel backwards along the Box’ trajectory and you have to wait inside that box for some time while you move backwards in time along that trajectory.
Listen, dude: I’ve got a lot more concerts in my list before I get to your lame-ass party.
Would you have missed Metallica in Moscow for some party you assumed nobody would attend? Fuck no.
Now if you’ll excuse me I’m gonna go sell all your grandmothers some really strong modern weed to get into Hendrix, New Year’s Eve, 1969.
Can’t wait to hear Machine Gun live.
My God… Is the fact that boomers think '60s weed was mind altering proof of time incursions from the dank future???
The strong weed and its effects hide me from temporal law enforcement.
Would you have missed Metallica in Moscow for some party you assumed nobody would attend? Fuck no.
Let’s see… the egotistical pricks that sued anyone that wanted to like them… in an authoritarian shithole… or hanging out with Stephen Hawking…
Tough choice. Can I convince Lars to sleep in the disaster bed? Or help them with arrangements so that songs that have about 1 minute of interesting music don’t have 8 minutes worth of filler?
This was a million and a half people vibing so hard they broke their government. I’m not missing it no matter how much of an asshole Lars Ulrich is.
I’d definitely go see Freddie at Live-aid at least a dozen times.
Been there. Got like a dozen t shirts. Nobody on eBay thinks they’re real tho
You can’t bring the time travel souvenir back with you in the time machine. You’ve got to store it in a safe cave or storage unit or something so that it’ll be at least plausibly aged by the time it reaches the future, even if surprisingly well-preserved.
I tried that but I think Geldof found them
No need to assume. You already know nobody attended. And you can also be part of the joke if it’s one.
There is also the idea that time machines work like telephones. You need to have a receiving end made first before you can call it.
Half this comment thread legitimately knows how they work
The other half is speculation
The truth is in the middle, Lemmy people are pretty well versed in science fiction and science :>
Like that short story with the lead marble?
What are the chances that visiting Steven Hawking is the most interesting/fun thing you can do, if you could freely time travel? I’d much rather go look at dinosaurs, or visit the construction of the pyramids, or go listen to Martin Luther King Jr.'s speech.
Even if my goal was to meet a single scientist, I think I’d personally pick any other. Pliny the Elder, Marie Curie, Albert Einstein…
Not to be rude to Mr. Hawking (well, maybe he deserves it, I don’t know what got him in to the Epstein files…), but a thorougly average party is simply not likely to attract very many time travellers.
What are the chances that visiting Steven Hawking is the most interesting/fun thing you can do, if you could freely time travel?
Not only that, apparently the machine he used to speak was rather difficult to use quickly, and drafting responses could take hours or days depending on how much needed said. Pretty much all of his appearances after he was unable to use his voice were heavily scripted ahead of time.
So unless you’re visiting Steven Hawking when he still could talk, it’d be pretty boring as you couldn’t have a proper back-and-forth conversation
What are the chances that visiting Steven Hawking is the most interesting/fun thing you can do, if you could freely time travel? I’d much rather go look at dinosaurs, or visit the construction of the pyramids, or go listen to Martin Luther King Jr.'s speech.
I would counter that if you have a time machine then you literally have all the time in the world and you can do all of those things, and more.
Honestly, even if time travel were theoretically possible to be invented, there’s also a high chance that we’re just going to destroy ourselves before we get to that point anyway.
Also, what if it uses a lot of resources and potential time travelers didn’t want to waste them to go to parties (thus further progressing your hypothetical conundrum)?
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You might destroy yourselves but the time traveler would be safe trust me.
What the fuck is he in the files for? What did he allegedly do? He’s bound to the chair!
It’s a little ableist to suggest that his being wheelchair-bound would necessarily prevent him from being a pedophile.
wheelchair-bound
Dude was fully paralyzed. Come one. Are you really that desperate to attack someone? Guy is asking a valid question.
Why are you suggesting that paralyzed people are somehow incapable?
Grow the fuck up.
Stephen Hawking reportedly loved strippers. His being paralyzed doesn’t/didn’t preclude sexual interests, nor untoward sexual pursuits, particularly given his status and presence in the fucking Epstein files.
Doesn’t justify you walking around calling people ableist for not knowing that bub. Grow the fuck up.
That’s generally how people find out. Until then, it is both at the same time. Schroedinger’s douchebag and all.
Then how did he have an affair?
Is power itself not enough to coerce someone, you’re saying it has to be physical coercion? That would undo a lot of what we know about sexual assault.
I’m certainly not saying he did it, but “he’s paralyzed” is not a good enough defense.
Its not a defense its a line of inquiry. Why do you think people asking what he’s accused of are defending him? That doesn’t make sense.
Are you implying he fucked?
little ablist
Oh FFS, cut it out already with the “ablist!!” screeching
The guy literally can only move his eyes, he literally can barely do anything without a support staff. He can breathe on his own, he can think on his own, that’s about it
He cannot be a pedophile is not being ablisi, it’s being realistic.
He was there for a scientific conference that was organized there.
He absolutely could have been a pedophile, it just would have been impossible to act on the urges without enablers.
As amusing as this slap fight is to watch, there’s an important point I think needs to be made.
The use of the word “pedophile” has multiple interpretations. (Yes I’m going to be that guy but follow me for a minute. I promise this is going somewhere.) For sake of argument, let’s look at the two most common uses: “is sexually attracted to children” and “fucks children”. I’m using fucks because that’s what that interpretation calls for. Consent is irrelevant, whether you think a child can give it or not. In the latter case we are discussing the physical act.
In the case of sexual attraction, I would imagine there are far more people in that crowd than most people realize. Don’t give me the studies and stats. I already have enough reasons to want to kill myself in 2026. I don’t want to know. Just acknowledge there is a number, we don’t have to like it. However, that’s not actionable by itself. It’s awful but it’s not relevant to anything. In the case of “Stephen hawking can be a pedophile without the ability to move his hips” this is correct. It is also entirely irrelevant because you know goddamn well what we are actually talking about.
Which brings me to the second interpretation, fucks children. In this use, the pedophile does a thing to a child. Not just fantasizes about it but actually does the thing. It’s cut and dry. THIS is what we are pissed about. When you see public outcry about pedophile stuff, it’s not about the pedantic argument of “well technically that’s not pedophilia.” Language is contextual. You know goddamn well that while most of us aren’t exactly thrilled about someone feeling arousal toward children, the thought itself is irrelevant. The action is.
A thought doesn’t harm children. It’s creeps us out and can serve as a warning sign of “you know, let’s not have Elon babysit. He’s either going to fuck it or eat it.”
What my post asked was what Stephen Hawking was accused of doing in the Epstein files. He’s not able to move his hips or legs of really any of his body in any weaponized capacity so I’m really wondering what the fuck his presence in the files is supposed to imply.
So please ignore the charged label and pay attention to the actual question:
What are people saying Stephen Hawking did on Epstein island?
No, there is one definition of pedophile, the second thing you described is called a child rapist. Naturally, the second is also usually the first, but the reverse is not so reliably true. Y’know, that classic square : rhombus :: child rapist : pedophile analogy. Pretty sure it used to be in the SATs.
I’m not saying he did anything anywhere or that he even was a pedophile, I really don’t care either way. It’s hard to prove and nearly impossible to disprove, since we still don’t know how to read people’s minds, especially dead people. The only horse I’m backing in this race is objective truth. Someone said he couldn’t be a pedophile, which is just so obviously false 🤷♂️.
So are we talking using Hawking as a child-juicer kind of situation?
Follow the thought just a little bit farther. It’s ridiculous. You are pointing toward a more actionable definition of this. It’s not “a thought occurred” but “a child had sex inflicted upon them”
So if you asking if is it possible to insert a Stephen Hawking into a child I will admit that grim situation is possible.
But what it would take to pull such a thing off…it’s like if you explained Schrodinger’s cat to someone whose intellectual development stopped at watching Care Bears.
You’ve not been ridden before?
He would just need placed prone, and the poor victim forced atop.
It’s weird how you won’t concede something so obviously true.
Idk what a child-juicer is, steroids really fuck with development so I don’t recommend that. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
I’m not asking anything, I’ve only ever stated facts. You’re the one who keeps going out of their way to describe child rape, even though no one in this entire thread said “Stephen Hawking was definitely a child rapist.” No one’s even claiming that he definitely was a pedophile. But he could have been, even without being in the Epstein files, there’s a non-zero chance he was attracted to children. Which is true of every human on Earth.
Lol, way to demonstrate your ignorance.
He cheated on his wife with his nurse, that’s why they separated.
Needing support for it doesn’t mean you won’t be able to hurt people.
I’m going to regret this but I just have to see where your synaptic misfire is going to land. What are you implying happened?
Are you suggesting someone serviced Stephen Hawking using 9 year old a fleshlight? What exactly would “supporting a paralyzed pedophile” entail?
Seriously, this is dumb.
You’re the only one interested in the logistics (might be something to reflect on…jkjk haha), all we’re saying is that being a quadriplegic has no bearing on what makes you horny.
That is not the argument I’m making. Please reread my post.
Doctor heal thyself
I’m not implying anything specific, I’m saying that if he wanted, he could have done a lot of things by meeting people who would make it happen for him.
Exactly. You aren’t saying anything specific. You are implying something so you don’t have to support a claim.
That’s because I don’t know or care if he did something.
All I’m saying that asking for abuse to happen would make one complicit in it happening no matter how actively one could participate in the abuse afterwards.
It’s quite a simple concept really. It’s while charges starting with “conspiracy to …” exist.
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I vehemently disagree with many worlds theory. I think its a total mindfuck. However I do think that the future influences the present and the past.
I’m agnostic
Its for the best
Spoiler Alert: the time travelers are the ones who took the picture of Hawking.
Lol all the time travelers go to when hawking was on Epstien Island
goddammit
Goddamn so everyone’s a bastard, eh?
He wasn’t known for being a great guy, just a really smart guy.
The name of the late Cambridge physicist was included in a 2015 email in which Epstein told Maxwell to offer a reward to any of Giuffre’s “friends acquaitonts [sic] family” who could prove false an allegation that Hawking had participated in an “underage orgy” in the Virgin Islands. Hawking, who died in 2018, has not been accused of a crime related to Epstein.
First, how does a 70 year old man in a wheelchair who has been unable to move for half a century participate in an orgy? Second, having ALS, wouldn’t he have lost interest in sex during the Nixon administration? I’m thinking the demand for pedophiles might be outstripping supply.
Like 2/3 of us plebs are not. But if any of us becomes rich or famous…
Someone who would do whatever it takes to get rich or famous is more likely to become rich or famous.
People who need remedial logic would think that, maybe. Punxsutawney Phil is also in the Epstein files.
Did you know anyone can allege absolutely anything? Did you know conspiracy theorists were spinning their fabulist nonsense about Epstein & beyond[1] years before the scandal gained traction mainstream & their half-baked ideas continue to shape our discourse?
A skeptical insistence on conclusive evidence & not falling for logical fallacies is rudimentary to scientific reasoning. It’s pathetic a community purportedly interested in science seems to forget that.
blood libel, pizzagate, qanon, cabal of pedophile adrenochrome harvesters, political & Hollywood elites, George Soros ↩︎
Yeah, but ol epsein wasn’t just a monstrous blackmailing mossad pedo rapist killer. He was into science for the mossad.
This is a very funny joke.
