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Eh, it’s more about the enthusiasm than the qualifications. Plus, while Bill Nye is no angel, at least he’s not a Putin supporter.
Bill Nye is an entertainer / educator. I’ve met plenty of people with PHDs and masters who couldn’t present a basic concept because they’re too caught up in technicalities and not understanding what it’s like to teach and get people interested in something.
I’ll happily take a minimally qualified Science Guy that inspires thousands or millions of people to get into science than the most sciency scientist in all science that only ever inspired people to punch people.
Furthermore, formal education is only one part of knowledge. Gatekeeping the word “scientist” is pointless. Maybe he has equivalent knowledge, skills, and ability to someone with a more advanced education. Maybe he doesn’t. Formal education is just the usual route, not the only route.
Is there some controversy around Bill Nye that I haven’t heard?
He has been a leading science communicator covering hundreds of topics for many decades, and is only human, of course there are going to be shortcomings.
His AMA was pretty bad.
Source or GTFO. Spreading rumours about people is a shitty thing to do.
I’ll be nice, but nobody owes it to you to source everything they say or look things up for you. Googling isn’t hard.
Nobody owes it to you to believe what you say either, but they offered you the chance to back up your words.
Granted they weren’t nice about it, but shit for shit leaves everyone covered in shit.
There was a clickbait NY Post article that I’d never link to, this article (archive) is more even handed.
This is confirmed by a search that’s faster than your comment so where’s your anger coming from?
Nye is more of if an educator than scientist. A lot like your average science teacher in high school.
Dolph is usually posted in this manner to put down Nye’s support for climate research, anti creationism, and other ‘political’ stands.
Wait why? Does he not support those views?
His views are easily found online. I’m commenting on the side by side comic meme and its implications.
And he is a Trump and Putin supporter. Fuck him.
I could only find this:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/06/dolph-lundgren-putin-sniper-rifles-interview.html
It mentions only Putin (which also sounds like a joke) and it’s from 2013 (before the annexation of Crimea).
Is there any more, and preferably recent, info?
I don’t care much about this guy specifically, but I wanted to chime in and say that I appreciate you looking for a source.
Maybe they’re confusing Dolph with Kevin Sorbo?
I think that’s bigger insult than calling him a Trump supporter
Oof. Didn’t know that
There’s no evidence for that anywhere. Always ask for a source.
He took his role in Rocky IV too seriously.
Source?
Dolph or Bill?
Dolph… Bill Nye is a Queer and Trans supporter.
And a big plastics shill, unfortunately.
bill nye is not a scientist, and he never claimed to be one. He is a science communicator, a role he has done well for some time.
Same with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
He specifically claims to be a science guy. Not a scientist.
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BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL!
NDT is a pompous ass
Sure but watching him on nova when I was a kid is a big reason I got so into science and engineering so I don’t really care
It’s a downside of being educated and fascinated by what you’ve learned.
He kisses himself in the mirror
He also has credible sexual assault allegations against him.
Mark rober manages just fine without being a pompous ass
I’m educated and fascinated by what I’ve learned too, and I’ve managed to not be an pompous ass… Oh wait, nevermind.
Not the same with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
I’m not his biggest fan, but I fully respect his scientific credentials. He has a PhD from Columbia. He published at least a dozen papers. There’s no question that he’s a scientist, a manager of scientists, as well as a science communicator.
The problem is that his success seems to have destroyed his humility. It’s not that he brags about being so incredibly smart. It’s more that he doesn’t ever seem to sit back and say “hey, maybe this isn’t something where my contributions won’t be appreciated”. I think his science communication is doing more good than harm. I think he’s a great role model for little black boys who think all scientists are white, or that they’re all stuffy nerds with no personality. But, I think he’s at his best when he’s in a show where there’s a script and an editor. On social media and on free-form podcasts, he comes off as a know-it-all ass.
He is a know-it-all ass. He’s a self-important dickhead. But I appreciate his role in getting young black kids seeing a role model that they can relate to. That’s far more important than his ego.
Ha! It makes it sound like you’re saying that young black kids are self-important dickheads and that’s why he’s a good role model.
But, yeah, I know what you’re trying to say. Despite his social media presence, the image that kids generally see is a very positive one. He’s a somewhat stylish (in his own way) guy, who clearly has personality, and is a very accomplished scientist. I just cringe any time he comments on something not related to astrophysics.
Exactly. He doesn’t need to ruin movies. We know that movies are for entertainment, it doesn’t need to be dissected as fact. And we certainly don’t need someone taking our escapism away from us. Let us have this, dude. We need this right now, including from the time he became prominent. He killed Pluto, which I guess is fine because it was accurate, but he didn’t need to shove himself into movies and try to ruin our very-much-needed escapism. It’s egotistical, and insulting, as if we don’t know that it’s a movie.
But, I think he’s at his best when he’s in a show where there’s a script and an editor. On social media and on free-form podcasts, he comes off as a know-it-all ass.
^ This. I still am miffed at his attitude in regards to considering the issues of AI on I forget which talk show, but he took the attitude of “we’d just pull the plug”.
Maybe when in a scripted format or in writing, he might be able to extrapolate a bit, but he just sounded like a layperson when it comes to the topic, and I honestly have no idea if he’s read or considered the kinds of things that, say, Nick Bostrom has put out there. It just sounded like some hot take man-on-the-street kind of response, talking about the problem as if we are talking about someone’s server running somewhere. It was just…facepalm.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson has a Phd in astrophysics and he has published a lot of papers. He is a scientist and a science communicator. Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye are not the same.
Neil does have a PhD. in astrophysics, however.
Neil regularly gets osmosis wrong and thinks it/distilled water can “suck minerals” from your body, something I was taught repeatedly in basic A&P, biology, and chemistry, that isnt true bc osmosis is the movement of water, not solutes.
Neil regularly says super dumb shit lol I don’t subscribe to him but I see random clips of him talking sometimes and not getting things right
Well, considering that’s not astrophysics, I can’t say I’m surprised. Not trying to defend the guy; he can be confidently wrong and a dick at times and should be more aware of what he doesn’t know. On the other hand, I’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about Bill.
Sure, but he has a Bachelor of Science degree. :)
Yeah, but that’s BS
Whoever made this meme doesn’t know what exponentially means.
This is science, not math.
I, too, spent longer than I ever should have thinking about this. My first thought was, they’re just using it in a linguistic sense, so it doesn’t matter that the exponent would have to be something very small to go from 1 qualification to 4. But then I thought, hm, I guess since there’s only 1 qualification for Bill, no exponent would be enough. But then I realized that grammatically the value in question is “qualification” and not “number of degrees”. The number of degrees is merely standing in as a heuristic proxy to illustrate qualification. This “qualification” scale makes the most the most sense if it’s between 0 and 1, representing percentiles of qualification. Therefore, the exponent applied to Bill’s qualifications must also be between 0 and 1 in order to increase the value to Lundgren’s. For a moment I thought this was the nail in the coffin for the original text, but of course the word “more” there again refers to the qualification, not to the exponent itself. This interpretation has the nice benefit that no matter what the exponent is, we always get a qualification value between 0 and 1. Hence I can conclude this is the only viable headcanon for this post.
What do you guys think is so special about a scientist.
They measure things and record data really well. They apply scientific principles and such.
They use lab equipment and usually have a very narrow scope on the things they are working on.
Do you think every scientist gets a nobel or something?
Scientist isn’t a thing. It’s like artist, a self-designation.
No, its a thing, people have the title “scientist.” Its just a job, tho.
My kid holds a Materials Science degree and worka as a Materials Scientist https://americanprofessionguide.com/materials-scientist-career/
Nuh-uh.
Just do a quick job search. I know plenty of scientists.
Researchers, professors, testers, archeologists, chemists, physicists, biologists.
Show me someone walking around with “scientist” on their lapel. It’s like a cartoon joke.
Staff scientists at work vanish into thin air upon receiving this profound take.
Staff assassins move in to protect them from staff ninjas.
What kinda essentialism is this? Artist is also absolutely a job title. Sure, you can self-describe as well, but there are people that get paid to be an artist.
I’m a warrior, a poet, an entrepreneur. Who says I’m not?
No one. Like I said, you can self-identify but it is also a title you can have from a job or similar.
You did say that. I’m corrected.
Bachelors of Science? I know you could argue that is applied to a lot of degrees, However one of my kids is a Materials Scientist. It is the Diploma and Job. https://americanprofessionguide.com/materials-scientist-career/
I’ll bet the bachelor of science degree is in something. BS in psychology. BS in materials (new to me). So you’re going to be a counselor, or a psychologist, or whatever a materialist is called other than materialist which doesn’t make sense.
I’m not sure what you are saying. Its not Materialist its Material Scientist, they study the science of materials and get a diploma in Materials Science, and the job is called Materials Scientist. Its basically Math, chemistry and metalurgial sciences rolled I into one discipline. Thus the link I posted, here’s another https://materials.princeton.edu/education/undergraduate/what-materials-science
It’s tragic that he never got to play a scientist who could smell crime.
He quit the Fulbright thing after two weeks though.
Yeah, but look at why he quit:
However, while preparing for the move to Boston, he was spotted in the nightclub where he worked in Sydney and was hired by Grace Jones as a bodyguard, and the two became lovers.[18] He moved with Jones to New York City, where he dabbled in modeling at the Zoli Agency but was described as “a bit too tall and muscular for a model’s size 40”.
It’s not like he said “this is too hard for me”, it’s more like he said “wait, I can have this other life instead?”
I’m not complaining or anything. Bro was banging peak Grace Jones and saw a better life than chemical engineering (maybe he saw god, she was smoking hot). Before this meme I thought he had a PhD and then I had to look up the scholar stuff.
Choice. A bold choice. Not a negative.
“Bill nye the science guy”
Fair enough.
Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson, Dora the Explorer. All very important. Be interested in things.
Dolph, Dolph, Dolph!
Dolph Lundgren the science front man.
im not a scientist but my data points indicate that this meme fucking sucks
This is the way
What about a masters in engineering and a bachelor’s in chemistry makes him even double more qualified? Yeah, maybe if he had a doctorate you could make that argument, but you could easily learn and do as much science work in 6 years outside of a university than you would in a BS and MS program at a university.
