Active users as of June 25, 2023:
- lemmy.world (48k users): 13554 active users
- lemmy.ml (38k users): 4582 active users
- beehaw.org (11k users): 3743 active users
- feddit.de (6.7k users): 2320 active users
- sh.itjust.works (6.5k users): 2167 active users
- lemmy.ca (3.5k users): 1082 active users
Great to see all this growth and activity in different lemmy instances!
More users does not ALWAYS mean a good thing.
You are correct and Lemmy.World and others will experience growing pains and will have their own share of issues but the positive of this is that more users means more content.
You are correct, but it at least shows that we are attracting more users (albeit, that doesn’t mean quality).
I believe its a positive thing though, as it shows that the “normies” are seriously considering alternatives; outside of us niche, nerds here for the tech and the anti-corpo mindset.
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Just showed up here. We’ll see how long I stay, but hoping this will be my social media fix each morning. If there are enough folks who feel the same, it will be.
I joined world because it was the little one, with like 100 active users according to the stats on the signup page. Hmph.
question - why is/was joining a little instance a good thing?
The idea was to pick a smaller one to spread the load around and stop any one instance (at the time it looked like probably Beehaw or .ml) getting so big it became a “default” and thus accidentally centralising things and defeating the whole purpose of being here.
I guess a lot of people had the same idea at roughly the same time as me though lol, and now we’re stuck with some serious unforseen federation issues due to sheer size. Therewasanattempt.
Good. It is important to have different instances to distribute the load though. However, I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…
I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…
I don’t hope that, exactly, I just hope that the people who join understand what they’re getting (and, more importantly, what they aren’t). I fully support a community with a different goal than most, and their goal seems like a wholesome one. I personally think it’s doomed to failure, but I support them giving it a try. They’re barely part of the fediverse though.
There still some good instances that Beehaw is federated with, but my personal issue is that it feels very fragile. If a couple of bigots show up on other instances and the mods don’t delete their posts right away, will Beehaw defederate from them? There is a line between protecting your users and barring them from accessing anything you don’t approve of, and I think they need to figure out where they stand in regards to that line. Beehaw feels more like a small forum than a piece of something bigger.
Defederating because of raiding, harassment, bots, etc is 100% understandable but it should not be done lightly.
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They’re probably ok with that
Why not beehaw? Did something happen?
They’ve defederated from both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. They’re still a good community, but I don’t consider them part of the fediverse at this point.
They defederated with the some of the largest instances that have open registration due to the influx of people causing issues in their own communities and the lack of mod tools to address the issue. People are still pissy about it despite beehaw admins stating they will lift the defederation once lemmy mod tools improve…
They kept saying that they need more moderation tools. Does anyone know what they wanted that Lemmy doesn’t already offer?
A big one is probably mods being able to mark posts as nsfw, ability to set posting restrictions for users with new accounts, less buggy mod queue. As of right now it’s not really feasible for a small team to moderate a large community on lemmy. There was a multitude of tools on Reddit that existed that made larger communities run smoothly, nearly all of which just don’t exist here yet. Just general growing pains of a new platform I think.
True, but even a “large” beehaw community is small by Reddit’s standards. Couldn’t they just appoint more moderators? Lemmy allows mods to create more mods for a community.
I think the biggest issue they had highlighted (that I witnessed myself, unfortunately) mainly was people with clear bad faith intentions entering beehaw’s spaces designated for discussions of and about vulnerable communities and individuals that beehaw wants to make sure to protect as part of their community ethos. Discussions that were calm and respectful and didn’t devolve into chaos previously due to the barrier blocks in their community quickly fell apart due to large swaths of users who were able to enter the community without any barriers that would have been stopped quickly if they had tried to sign up to beehaw. Like, a lot of it was really was the lack of post restrictions within their local communities. An example off the top of my head, beehaw requires you to fill out a form to basically make sure you are wanting to join in line with their community policies. For those that get the false impression that they are asking for a large essay or were asking for censorship and get dissuaded because of that, beehaws admin seem to feel that is a good deterrent to those who wouldn’t engage in good faith within their community anyway. And it seemed to work on its own, but it quickly fell apart as huge amounts of signups began the surge across the two instances they defederated. Individuals who began to cause problems and enter the communities to troll, were almost all from those instances. It was a matter of they literally can only ban and delete, and with how the modding system in lemmy current system is, it was a losing game of whack a mole they currently cannot win.
I wonder, if lemmy.world is so unsafe, why are you here?
Where did I say it was unsafe? I was pointing out the dishonesty people have been showing in regards to discussing the reason why beehaw chose to defederate.
Where did I say it was unsafe?
Beehaw did imply that, the communication with Ruud was poor, and their “moderation” excuse is simply them acting in bad faith and you seem to agree with them.
They might have implied as such (I don’t personally think they did, but such an observation is objective.), but I myself didn’t in the post above, and to say I did is dishonest. For the record, I believe they did what they had to do with the limited options they currently have. And I did not like it. Hence why I made an account on here as well. It’s not a fascist regime, and I was pointing out the fact that the people acting like it is are being ridiculous. I directly witnessed the reasons why they defederated and quite ironically, an immense rise of interactions escalating precisely like this causing issues in their own communities and limited staffing to address such (especially towards the vulnerable minority communities beehaw wants to protect in ways reddit did not) in a short amount of time is quite exactly why they chose to defederate. Have a lovely day.
I don’t think it helps your argument when you’re the same one qualifying those who, rightfully, think that Beehaw’s move is a dick move, as people being:
dishonest
and
still pissy about it
Regardless of what happened, beehaw is not for everyone.
They aim to be a safe haven for people that are afraid to be harassed for who they are. It’s a noble goal IMO but to achieve that, they have to moderate their instance quite heavily.
If you’re not their target audience, you’ll find it too restrictive.
We did it Reddit!
What counts as an active user? Voting? Commenting? Posting?
What counts as an active user? Voting? Commenting? Posting?
Submitting a comment or post. AFAIK upvoting/downvoting doesn’t count, at least for Lemmy’s numbers.
Kbin is looser with the definition, I think they even count accounts that simply vote among active users.
Hello All, First time poster here. I would just like to say that i tried signing up for beehaw.org but they have some kind of purity test that reminds me of Reddit. Don’t ever sign up for beehaw, that is going to be one hell of a drama filled instance.
Drama? Ooooh brb
Too bad the users are partially yelling into the void: https://lemmy.world/post/609080 Hope it gets fixed.
Are they? I see tons of Lemmy.world posts (including this one) using my sh.itjust.works account.
Except, apparently, we are the void. Probably why most people on this instance haven’t noticed a problem.
Do we want to be the void?
No, of course not, but I’m willing to be patient. This place grew very fast, and Lemmy itself was a tiny place before all of this. I remember the old days of reddit, too, and how sketch everything was. I hope it doesn’t take very long for basic issues like this to get fixed by the people who know how to do that (which definitely is not me), and I’m okay with mostly chatting amongst ourselves for a bit. (TBF though, I do get responses back from people on other instances, so my messages appear to be getting through eventually.) I’m excited for this thing to work, and feel impatient myself at times, but there is a whole heck of a lot of work that will need to be done to make this place fully functional. This is just one of many issues, and I am here for the ride!
Embrace the void. The void is comfy
Is this just because we are a version back? That’s gonna get fixed soon.
To bad they are still on 17.4 and not 18. Getting rid of web sockets really helped with the jumping around seen when viewing all
lemmy.world is probably leading because it’s easy to sign up
I mean, i would rather have an easy sign up then go through a shitty purity test like beehaw.org makes you go through.
I wrote 2 short paragraphs for the Beehaw entry and a week later was denied. By that point I was already on Lemmy.World.
I really don’t know what else they wanted me to say to be honest. I’d be interested in seeing some accepted applications but seems excessive.
The very same thing happened to me. It’s amazing to me how fast Lemmy.world has grown in the few weeks I’ve been here!
Same for me. The only thing beehaw now has that interests me is the technology community, which seems fairly active. Other than that it died for me there. For what? Because they couldn’t deal with a few trolls? And they want their own walled garden for site applications?
I’m here because there’s less censorship
Literally why I came to Lemmy as a whole.
Back in my day lemmy.ml was the biggest instance.
Account age: 1 week
Yep checks out
Now do me!
Account age: 2 years
Ok grandpa time to get you back to your home.
Last Tuesday.
y’all are cracking me up… time sure does fly by. i want to practice being present. that’s what i should do.
I might jump ship in order to bring balance to the force
This dominance worries me a little. Luckily the communities are spread across instances fairly well
This dominance worries me a little.
I don’t think there’s much to worry about. Having large general instances is perfectly healthy and good for the Fediverse as that’s where people new to the Fediverse will land.
I predict that large niche instances will start popping up, one example already being programming.dev, and that’s simply because there are domains where you might need extra customization.
For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc… Basically a return to what we had with old-school forums except this time the instances would be federated.
For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc…
An interesting idea. But the problem with that is that the custom rendered content would not federate properly, so such communities would only really be usable to those on that instance, which destroys the whole point of being federated in the first place. Unless they were able to implement some sort of ‘graceful degradation’ so the content was enhanced on the main instance, but still serviceable on other instances.
Good point. I think it could still work well if the processing is done on the server, ie the specialized Lemmy instance processes the LaTeX equation and replaces it with a generated PNG.
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NGL I thought Blajah would be higher given that 196 moved there
I kind of feel we’re riding the sweet spot on size right now. Seems like a solid amount of content but we’ve not had so many new users that there’s been any sudden cultural shift.
Probably a couple hundred dedicated posters. So many 196 memes on my feed and I don’t even know what 196 stands for.
196 is the apartment of awesome!
Welcome to the party!
Share something while you’re here it’s the rule.
We’ve got Blahaj, memes, LGBTQ+, and no tankies.
We recently had to change venue due to reddit shenanigans, but the party don’t stop until it all stops
Good time to appreciate the lack of dominant centrality here compared to mastodon.
Mastodon’s flagship instance run by the BDFL,
mastodon.social, has~10times the monthly active users of the next biggest instance.Here, there isn’t really a flagship instance, as the devs don’t want their instance to be anything more than the one they happen to run, and it’s not the biggest, and the biggest is independent of the lemmy dev team and isn’t even that much bigger than the others.
That might also be a response to what users were asking for. Signing up for a server confused the shit out of everyone. It was to the point where Mastodon’s confusing onboarding process was frequently being covered by major media outlet across the globe.
Instead of continuing to iterate on sever selection experience, they just started to say “fuck it” and started dumping everyone into .social.
Which is the only way they’re ever going to work. It’s a major barrier to sign ups. If the fediverse is actually going to take off one of the Lemmy sites will have to become the dominant one
If the tools for discovering and subscribing to communities could be improved so it becomes dead easy to subscribe to communities on any instance from any instance, that might not need to happen.
Right now the process of having to search for each community and subscribe is too clunky. And if someone posts a link to another community it often comes up in a format that takes you to the other instance, where you have no account so can’t subscribe. We need a way to share links to other communities that incorporates an easy “subscribe” button that talks to your own instance.
It would be nice to have some index or search result page that lists communities on all instances, with a subscribe button next to each.
If these things can be smoothed out, it won’t matter too much which instance you have your account on, so that will be less of an obstacle to new users.
Lemmyverse.net does that really well, I think. At the top you can click the house icon and put in your instance, then whatever community you search for or find by scrolling through the list, you can just click on and subscribe
Yes, that is good, though there seems to be a bug in version 0.18 which means that when you click through the Subscribe button doesn’t show up (just the word “Subscribe” where it should be), so you end up having to search for the community anyway to subscribe. Once that bug is fixed though it will be nice and convenient.
Edit: I found another workaround: If when you first click through to the community the Subscribe button isn’t shown (for me it just shows the word “Subscribe” but it’s not a button), then change the “Hot/Active/New/etc.” dropdown to a different value. This refreshes the page and the Subscribe button appears.
It does appear that lemmy.world is heading in the same direction of mastodon.social though.
Now show us a chart differentiating between robots and sentient users.
Like there are sentient users on social media sites.
It’s awesome to see the growth, but as a small question, why don’t all the instances upgrade to version 0.18? Maybe that version isn’t stable enough?
0.18 removed checks and balances to limit bot signups. lemmy.world won’t upgrade until this is in place.
Yep, so now I need to put up with Jerboa whining at me every time I log in. Just the latest in what’s likely to be a long line of teething problems. It’s really unfortunate that the same guy is one of the primary devs of both the Lemmy server and the android client, as it allows him to use one to put pressure on the other. He could E.G. make it so Jerboa refuses to connect to any instance that refuses to update rather than just displaying an annoying dialog like it currently does.
Try Liftoff it’s a pretty sweet app
