• It was not unprecedented. Nixon sabotaged the Vietnam War peace talks to get elected too. Don’t think that has ever been addressed very well either.

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    “This was genuine treason by the GOP.”

    Nah…just a typical Wednesday for them.

  • @LillyPip@lemmy.ca
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    Oh, are we counting treasons again? I guess mid-century modern is actually a thing now. Good, it’s a nice aesthetic. Bell bottoms and protest, fuck yeah.

    Maybe this time we can follow through, eh? We’ve seen what happens when we don’t.

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    They keep doing it. And then they do other shady shit like schedule the pulling of troops out of Syria Afghanistan for next year because it won’t be their problem by then. 🤷‍♂️

    • @WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world
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      When a large majority of media conglomerates being conservative, like the Sinclaire group, it makes sharing this news with Americans very difficult.

      Throw in education restrictions to keep kids from learning about these events in school, you’ve got a steep uphill battle to raise awareness.

    • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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      The country that kills girls for not wearing a head covering? That’s the one you’re expecting to take care of it’s people?

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        I’d expect an enemy of the US to not work with the US whenever the opportunity presents itself.

        Iran has always been willing to capitulate, even though they’re touted as America’s #1 enemy in the region.

        It’s an odd relationship.

    • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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      Not really. That’s generally just something anyone should expect. After all the United States China Russia etc etc etc etc have all done the same. It’s why allowing a concentration of power. Or in cases like China and Russia demanding a concentration of Power are such bad things. Power corrupts.

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          The actions of authoritarian governments rarely do. They’re honestly not concerned with long-term thinking or benefit. Because they don’t need to be. It does not benefit them personally to do that extra work.

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            “”“Authoritarian”“” governments (really, all governments) are concerned with the continuation of their authority. Iran, it seems, is so desperate to work with the US that it will try over and over again, despite always getting back-stabbed shortly after. See also: the nuclear deal. It’s short sighted and it never works, but they keep doing it. You’d think they’d learn!

  • Good thing they learnt their lessions and itll never happen again. On a completely unrelated note did you know that Hamas is planning on releasing their hostages mysteriously as soon as Trump gets elected, Bibi is also planning on starting serious peace talks at the same time.

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    This is why I don’t understand why people say that Trump winning again is the end of democracy.

    Trump’s behavior is not “weird”; it’s standard American politics.

    The only way to beat it is to offer real democracy, real economic change, and to take people unhappy with the current system seriously instead of dismissing them as “weird” or “deplorables”.

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      Even knowing everything that has come before intimately doesn’t make Trumps stuff make any sense. There is a reason all the professional historians, including the ones politically on his side, are up in arms about him and his plans. This is not “business as usual”, he is as bad as literally everyone that has any idea about any of this stuff says he is.

      He is way too easy to corrupt and sway. He has no idea what he is doing and trusts all the wrong people because they play him so easily. He’s a “useful idiot”, but useful to people who want to bring America down or just make more money for themselves. He still thinks all of his plans are his own ideas, or at least that he is doing them for his own reasons, but they are just tapping into his overblown self-confidence and ego.

      The reason calling him “weird” actually worked is because he knows that word… schoolyard taunts bother him so much more than accurate assessments of the consequences of his actions. If he could follow along with that logic, he wouldn’t be a problem in the first place. Deplorables doesn’t get to him because he has no idea what that means and refuses to learn. He has an aversion to reading. Yes, that thing that is basically 90% of the presidents job.

      • AnIndefiniteArticle
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        This is absolutely business as usual, but Trump as a business man is just more erratic and harder for those with a vested interest in maintaining existing power structures to control.

        He’s not as bad as Reagan, but he’s a loose cannon and I agree that that makes him dangerous.

        calling him “weird” actually worked

        I’m sorry, what? Did we see the same election results? Publicly dismissing someone for being weird is alienating to large swathes of the country. Many of us take pride in our weirdness.

    • @btaf45@lemmy.world
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      Trump’s behavior is not “weird”; it’s standard American politics.

      It’s not. I remember all the presidents since Nixon. The stuff Treason Trump did is an order of magnitude worse than anything that came before.

      • AnIndefiniteArticle
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        Funny that you post that in a comment section where the OP is literally about Reagan also committing treason.

        • @btaf45@lemmy.world
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          Reagan did not try to overthrow democracy. He didn’t conspire with Russia against America. He didn’t try to blackmail a foreign power into dishonestly interfering with a US election. He didn’t retain 60 boxes of classified secrets after leaving office. He didn’t sexually assault 26 women. He didn’t tell 30000+ lies in 4 years. He didn’t say that immigrants were eating our cats and dogs.