Day by day, the advancements in human knowledge has caused us to know so many things. Many religious arguments have been debunked in an awesome manner. Many religions have to soften themselves now, in order to be accommodating to the modern mind. Do you think that in our future, say 2060 or 2100, will we humans have religions as we have now or will we all reject God and other supernatural and pseudoscientific hypothesis and become atheists?

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        I forget that I’m on the old side and many people probably don’t know the movie. For me, at my age, living in the US, it’s like having previously seen alternate reality these days. SnoopSqueak is right, it’s a silly comedy movie that flopped but “called it” as far as the great dumbing-down of America.
        Turns out reality is worse than that.

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    The number of religious people will never be zero. Religion is a method to control population by surrendering their free will. Over the very long term, religions do go extinct, or nearly-so. Look at Zoroastrianism, Norse paganism, Egyptian panopoly, the ancient Sumerian and Mesopotamian city-god cults.

    They fall apart and lose adherents when their political backing collapses. In some cases, they get replaced by more wide-ranging systems, like how Chrisitanity’s relatable themes of suffering, the promise of love and deferred salvation displaced the older, more esoteric power-based Norse religion. Norse mythology sort of makes sense in cold, forested, sparesly populated Scandinavia, but as those cultures learned more about the rest of the planet, the stories of trolls, giants, gods and monsters as an excuse for banditry and raiding starts to look silly.

    Convesion and Displacement, but generally because The Leader of these societies decided at some point through genuine faith, political convenience, their wife’s faith or just pragmatic cynicism that it was a good idea to move in a different direction. Hence, religion is a matter of political, economic and moral control. That’s never going to go completely out of style, as there’s always going to be bastards who want to use superstition to control people.

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      Isn’t it strange though that they are the huge proponents of free will and then make people surrender their free will? I do not believe in free will yet I live more freely than those who believe in free will.

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    1. Humans will never know everything
    2. Religion isn’t necessarily having answers to those things.
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    Not until we have secular rituals around death, birth, and union, at least.

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    I mean, technically yes when we go extinct, as it’s hard to have religious belief when you’re dead; but until then… no, certainly not. Human brains simply rely on heuristics too much for people to shake pseudoscientific thinking that leads to spirituality (even without organized religion).

    I’m hopefully at least the number of people not believing in organized religion goes down, though. That’s the current trend, even if it’s just people answering “none”.

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    I hope they do…but it will take eons… we have people still believing nonsense from centuries ago despite evidence.

    Every new brian is a blank slate and gets contaminated but the stupidity of it’s peers.

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    There will be as long as there are narcissists and megalomaniacs sharing the world with ignorant lazy people.

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    I think religion will always find a hold because of the philosophical “what happens when we die?” Couple this with government using religion as an extra arm to manipulate public opinion (Russia, U.S.A.) means even people who aren’t religious will use religion as a tool.

    If you can convince enough people heaven is waiting for them, they will put up with a lot of shit during their measly 80 years on the mortal coil.

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      I think the religion also is a reason why people don’t speak up for their rights cuz if they start to look closely into this life and strive to make this world heaven rather than waiting for some imaginary heaven, the tyrants won’t have a leverage above masses.

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    Let me insist that humanism is a real philosophy, and blueprint for society. Jesus’s speech was consistent with humanism. Christianity quickly erased Jesus from Christianity in favour of “coequal matter” with the demonism of Moses chosen people genocidal privilege of the emperor, and anyone who believed in what Jesus said is a heretic. All previous Christian sects that believed in Jesus were exterminated.

    If believers followed humanist ideology out of hope for eternal heavenly reward with their $5000 Trump cheque, then that would be not just harmless, but constructive. However the power of religion’s only path is to corrupt souls onto evil. To answer your question, requires persecuting liars promoting their followers follow their evil. Without that persecution, liars will choose religious power.

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    In my opinion,

    The role of religion is mostly to scam the people into making them serve their (human) lord, in a eay where the life of servants doesn’t matter even for themselves as long as they are good servant and it allows them to get the after death reward.

    As long as their are lord exploiting people, or scammers willing to get an higher position thanks to their status in the religion, their will be people to believe them.

    Yet a society that would not be based on overly exploiting the poors, and would not let scammers in peace, would have more atheists and non-religious deists…

    Also, many would keep reminding the traditional mythology of their culture, but just as we know antic greek one, sannta clauss, etc.

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    At some point in the future, yes I think so. Religion continues to exist because it fills many needs at the societal and individual level beyond just belief in the supernatural. People use religion for community, a sense of (greater or worldly) purpose, a moral compass, to accept mortality, deal with loss or big emotions, plain boredom, to control themselves or others, get power, make money, etc.

    Assuming humanity doesn’t wipe itself out in the future, people will find other ways to fill the needs or answer the questions they currently use religion for. Religion will cease to exist but that doesn’t mean the things that replace it will be better.

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    Humans evolved a need for religion to deal with their sense of mortality. It’s partially hard wired into the brain because brain damage and trans cranial stimulation can trigger religious visions.

    People cannot deal with the idea that life just ends.