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Stop making everything political!
The national anthem of people who love the status quo!
The national anthem of people who love the status quo!
Of 40 years ago.
Everything is political.
Someone: stop “making” everything political!!
The worst part about the article (see comment for source) is that in a sense, the author isn’t wrong. Developing skills helps with challenges, whether they are caused by a neurodivergency or not. Also, labels can limit people and people can hold themselves back because of seeing their condition as innate and not changeable (which it is, but everything around it can change). I don’t doubt that her autism diagnosis was not useful for her and she feels better letting it go. And there are very toxic elements in the neurodiversity community, just like in other communities.
The problem is that none of the above actually invalidates the diagnosis. It’s all context in which the life of the person with the diagnosis plays out. So she may very well still be autistic by any reasonable definition. I don’t know her. And the attitude which this kind of article permits others to take can be scary.
ADHD Sidebar Rant
(This doesn’t get into my big issue with a large swath of the DSM, which calls a bucket of symptoms a diagnosis without any understanding of underlying causes. With other medical fields we’ve often found that there are multiple diseases underlying the population of patients with a cluster of symptoms (e.g. recent discovery of multiple variants of Parkinsons with different origins). I personally suspect that there are multiple distinct conditions that underpin what we currently bucket as “autism”, and same with many of the other conditions in that section of the DSM. The only one we understand even reasonably well is ADHD, AFAICT. We at least have brain differences and some genetic components mapped out, but we’re still learning more all the time, e.g. recent study which suggests primary mode of operation of the condition is reward, not attention, which is why stimulants work.)
The thing that got me to finally go for my ADHD diagnosis was yes, I can get by, if I absolutely exhaust myself doing things that most people find trivial.
I can develop skills and workarounds to even things out, and that’s valuable. But it’s going to take me three times the effort and leave me empty.
The difference between thriving and surviving and all that.
This feels like another recycled playbook: take vulnerable people, create doubt, then sell it as “concern.” People deserve support, not weaponized stigma.
But supporting people is hard and I don’t want to do it. Why do that when I can just exploit them instead?
IMHO, in a way, it’s the desperate, desperate, oh so desperate need of people who can’t deal with the uncertainty of Probability and Statistics and thus require everything to be a clearly defined something, no variance, no deviations.
It’s the same reason why some people simply can’t accept the Theory Of Evolution: the idea that “countless” (not literally, but figurativelly) random variances will yield incremental changes which over time add up to major change is just beyond them, so better have a single (or a handful) of fantastical all powerful beings of unexplained (and never questioned) provenance be the designers and agents of creation of all we see.
As I see it, shit like this is mainly stupid people compensating (in the Psychology sense of the word) for their own inability to comprehend the World as is and without mentally simplify it down to a handful of little labelled boxes.
Autism (neuro divergence in general really) under capitalism, is the engineering equivilent to being a sacrificial gear in a gear box. You have your purpose, you do it well when placed in the proper gear set. But you wear out faster than all the other gears, not because you are a bad gear, but because the system itself was designed to crush you rather than crush the bigger more expensive gears. It was built for their longevity and success, not yours. This is them giving the squeeky wheel or “gear” “the grease” in a fucked up way.
They are trying to gaslight different groups into thinking they are just a regular normal gear, and they need to just work harder, even if it means the gear breaks quicker as a result. We are cheaper to replace than we are to repair, and that is the logic that makes capitalism unworthy of human participation, it is inherently anti human in all spectrums.
I don’t think this is a Capitalist thing explicitly.
Being significantly outside the norm in visible ways is often a problem in any human societies, mainly depending on which traits one has which are most different from the masses and the time and society one is in. I mean, a highly intelligent woman with knowledge of herbal remedies in a 12th century European village would likely be deemed a witch, in a Native American tribe would be a healer and in present day society either nobody would notice or think her as old-fashioned “with all those teas”.
I expect that Neuro-divergence, being behavioural, is one of the hardest to accept as “normal” things in any human societies since humans are generally social beings. I mean, in present day in most of the West even Introversion (which is much more prevalent) is often perceived as a problem that people must overcome (“You need to go out more”) rather than just another perfectly normal way of being.
As I see it the neuro-divergent are just unlucky of living in an age of cities were it’s pretty hard for people to just live away from the rest most of the time and being out of the norm behaviouralliy ratther than say, in terms of body shape or having a preference for unusual foods.
PS: Now that I think about it, the whole insane “grift everything” culture of the current Late Stage Neoliberal Capitalism probably makes life way harder than it need be for people whose more variant traits negativelly affect social interaction, since in so many areas where merit in that domain was usually enough, now one must “pitch” and “network” a lot to get ahead.
My point was that we live under capitalism, therefore this is one way capitalism handles neuro divergence. We can go day and night about what we think or know about other times and systems and how they treated “others” but i was merely pointing out the propaganda that is marketing under capitalism, and how they use it to make us self regulate ourselves out of commonality and acceptance, to save money on the next quarter, at the cost of human life.
Is it just capitalism that alienates and destroys the lives of people who are different? No, absolutely not. However, this specific article is a prime example of how capitalism (today) handles neurodivergence by gaslighting us against our own existence via marketing and propaganda. Corporations hate paying for accomodations, it effects their bottom line. And thats the point i was making. This is how capitalism views us, this is how it handles us, this is how they weaponise our existence, for power and profit.
I understand your point and mostly agree. However i just dont have anecdotal experience living as a herbalist in the darkages, lol. And i dont believe whataboutism addresses the issues we face specifically from the system we live under right now in the present.
I don’t think Capitalism cares about most individuals as much as that would imply and in fact one of the strengths of it (for its own survival and expansion, rather than in the sense of being a good thing) is that it adapts around the variance of people - just look at phenomenons like Greenwashing.
Human societies have long harmed and even killed people for being different, no Capitalism required.
Just because one thinks Capitalism is a bad thing doesn’t mean one has to blame it for all bad things - that’s just intellectually lazy and reductive.
The best way to solve a problem is to analyze to figure out what causes it, not lazily blame it on the boggy-man.
Can we agree that cigarettes cause cancer, or is that lazy and reductive as well?
Other things cause cancer, sure, but we are talking about cigarettes right now. Because there is a cigarette right in front of us, causing cancer.
Analogies aside. I am talking (again) specifically about what made this article, who perpetuated it, spread it around, and for what reason? The same reason that imperialist fascism, the final evolution of capitalism before it implodes under the illusion of its own “infinite growth and adaptability”, did the exact same thing to trans people and neurodivergent people under the nazi regime in the 30’s and 40’s. Which, if you havent heard about, is back in style in the USA, concentration camps, and all.
This is a snapshot of propaganda with literal context in the photo that dictates exactly what im talking about. And you are out here ignoring analysis that you claim to want, and calling me lazy for pointing it out, giving further breakdown of my analogies, and giving my anecdotal experience of being neurodivergent under the capitalistic system we live in?¿
Pointing this out is not ignoring the history of human cruelty, it gives context as to how human cruelty can create a system that perpetuates it. and what that looks like. And more importantly, if we cant address the flaws of the system we currently live under, then we are doomed to repeat its agonies again, and again, until it consumes us all.
To simplify my statement, while including yours, so we can both go back to our families.
Humans can be big meanie weenies, capitalism rewards meanie weenie behaviour.
Your argument was equivalent to “all lung cancer is caused by cigarettes”.
You don’t start from your favored explanation and work backwards to explain the problem with it, you start from the problem and work forwards to all possible explanations, by which point you have several possibilities which you have to judge against each other to determine the most likely.
In simple terms not all meanie weenie behavior happens because it’s rewarded by Capitalism.
Nope. You just didn’t comprehend what i wrote because your ego and confirmation bias got in the way of your logic. And so, you went hostile and started straw manning.
But i forgive you, reddit coded behaviour takes a while to shake off on lemmy. I wish you the best :)
So… I am unquestionably ADHD. Like diagnosed in kindergarten, “doctor sees I’m neurodivergent the instant I start talking.”
Maybe AuADHD, still figuring that out.
…But, while I am no doctor, there are almost certainly diagnoses just to get ADD meds or extra time for tests. It was quite rampant in my school.
What I’m saying is, the grain of truth they’re stretching here shouldn’t be forgotten. Misdiagnoses and “false diagnosis” for benefits is definitely a thing for ADD, and it might be one for autism at some point. And pushing back against shameless neurodivergence discrimination shouldn’t cross the threshold of pretending that doesn’t exist.
It’s the kind of thing that haunts you and gives you impostor syndrome for the rest of your life
I’ll consider this discussion when people start discussing how often people are misdiagnosed and mis-medicated for mental illnesses and other illnesses. But whilst it’s just a narrow attack on one or two diagnoses (autism and ADHD) it’s not a discussion that’s being had in good faith. It’s one with an agenda.
Just somebody let me know when I can claim asylum in a more civilized country, as a persecuted class, where that class is ‘I am Autistic’.
Till then, I’ll continue not publically existing.
The US admin has already publically stated multiple times that they basically wanna holocaust us, send all the people with mental ‘disorders’, who use prescribed meds… to farm labor detox work camps.
Just go look for quotes from Health Minister Brainworm.
the most insulting aspect has got to be the idea that plainly bonkers people are the ones making these aspersions. RFK and Trump are nutbags.
Might want to look up your family tree. If you’re related to any Canadian, at any point (think great great great grandparents), you can get a passport.
I actually did this, milked the shit out of a free ancenstry.com membership, before they charged me.
Long story short:
Traced my lineage back to the American Revolutionary War? 🇺🇲 ✅
Found out that I am apparently technically, literally an Italian by their blood right heritage laws, and the timing of when my ancestors had children vs got naturalized? 🇮🇹 ✅
(Do I speak any Italian? ❌)
Do I have any Canadian heritage? 🇨🇦 ❌❌❌
Nope. Literally none, back to ~1700 - 1800, through anyone.
So… maybe learning Italian is my future, idfk.
EDIT:
lol, welp:
https://italyget.com/decreto-tajani-on-italian-citizenship/
tl;dr nevermind , Italy can apparently just amend its law via the judiciary, at any time, so… I am not Italian.
perfetto, angry hand gestures
Just googled Christina Buttons 😬
So called “investigative” journalist who rails against what she calls pseudoscience while spewing pseudoscience
Isn‘t autism and many other psychological conditions under and over diagnosed at the same time? A friend of mine got her diagnosis at the age of 31 (under diagnosed) and her doctor talked with her about social media bringing more people to her, which think they have autism, but don‘t (over diagnosing).
I don‘t want to talk anyone out of their diagnosis or give them doubts. As long as there are tests there will always be false negatives and positives and so if you test more it will influence the outcome.
PS: The article is probably bullshit.
Yeah, and there does seem to be an increasing number of people who self-diagnose medical conditions such as autism, and then use them as excuses for their own shitty behavior.
Or sometimes that of others. I had a relative try to excuse Elon’s bullshit as autism. No, aunt Grace, autism does not make people throw out Nazi salutes.
Often it’s the same people who dismiss legitimate challenges other people face due to medical conditions yet have one of their own (self-diagnosed) they use to excuse shitty behavior.
Isn‘t autism and many other psychological conditions under and over diagnosed at the same time?
Yeah, that’s what happens when there’s no objective, scientific criteria and the “diagnoses” are based on the subjective observation of behavior.
I thought I was autistic but turns out I have a different set of things that manifest similarly on the screeners but have totally different origins and approaches.
I don’t think that’s what these folks are talking about though.
The Behind the Bastards episode on autism was fascinating.
I’m not going to do it justice but the tl;dr is that parents felt like it couldn’t have been their fault or their genes that made their kid this way. That it must have been vaccines or trans frogs or whatever the fuck they can blame. Because blaming something else made them feel better. And it gave them an excuse to not deal with their kid that has real difficulty.
And, to a certain extent…I get it. I don’t agree with them but having a child with a disability was not what they expected.
But you raise the child you have and not the one you wish you had.
My mother grew up in a time where it was considered something a mother ‘did’ to cause it.
Which is why she denies and denies we’re autistic.
I mean, everyone who meets the two of us together go “yeah you both are” soooooo.
It probably doesn’t help that they may have an outdated image of autism. Their child does not have high support needs, so it can’t be that. The doctor must be mistaken.
That was the one about the “compression clinic” or whatever they were called, right? Where they put kids in hypobaric chambers? Sick fucks
I think so. It’s been a while since I listened to it.
The sad thing about it is that like many conspiracy theories, they started from a well-meaning place. But the brain rot algorithm pushed them towards fringe theories because it would make people feel better.
Trans frogs is hilarious first of all. Secondly I thing even the most unhinged nutjobs only ever used trans frogs as a symptom not a cause. Trans frogs causing autism is the equivalent of such a deranged reversal of cause and effect as to be comparable to Covid causing 5G.
Anyways, I agree. I think parents want a scapegoat for why they find their kid to be “cringey” when speaking to their peers and Autism (effect) and vaccine (cause) provide pseudo medical rationales.
So what did they think it was? Because autism is linked to genetics so…
So I guess vaccines and Tylenol don’t cause autism anymore either right?
….
Right?
Something something stock market?
50 people with names and addresses, you say?
Sounds VERY solvable.
I have like 10 of those addresses and could get more. No I’m not going to get them for you or doxx them, there are other folk in here who have the same list in mind (associated with the same cult) because like, just having that kind of list makes you suspect for like blood crimes and I’m really more down for gay crimes and maybe a little international arms snuggling Steven call me
“international arms snuggling” <4
That might be my favorite typo yet
I’m not going to get them for you
Great, I’m not an American, not my job
or doxx them
Then you’re a coward. Doxxing them is step 1. You should be on step 5 if you give a shit about this.
Just say “I care about my own comfort more than I care about this issue.” And then don’t fucking bring it up again unless you’re willing to do something about it.
God, I hate looking at non-xkitted Tumblr.Anyway, what terrible thing happened to the person who wrote the article? Were they systematically discriminated against for being autistic when that’s something that should only happen to Those Other People or something?
They’re just monumentally xenophobic and entitled.
Well what are their names?
Yeh this is not doxxing if they are literally attempting to shape national policy. If you want to be left alone you should leave the fucking laws alone
“I thought I was autistic. It turns out I’m retarded.”
