These are all products that I legitimately like and want to engage with, but linking them all to a single account and more importantly a shared recommendation engine feels very flawed.

My music playlists from Youtube Music keep showing up on my Youtube homepage. Likewise, engaging with Youtube Shorts (especially subscribing) also subscribes to their youtube channel. I don’t know about anyone else, but what I find interesting in a 30 second video is not what I find interesting in a 10-30 minute video.

I feel like Google would be better served separating these recommendation engines. Even looking at this from a monetization lens, it feels inefficient. How do you guys feel? If you have any hacks or recommendations I’d love to hear them. I’m personally ready to create a TikTok account just to avoid contaminating my youtube feed.

  • Azure@beehaw.orgEnglish
    2·
    3 years ago

    Youtube shorts being visually hard to tell the difference but being in my sub lists AND breaking the queuing is obnoxious. I have been cutting myself off from google products as much as I can, they are just so shitty now.

  • Snapz@beehaw.orgEnglish
    2·
    3 years ago

    Glad you called it out. Hate this forced crossed contamination.

    I make it a point to not engage with any of the shorts content - especially since they deliberately made it difficult to add to watch later list. My time is held hostage in that moment and FUCK if that isn’t a great way to get me to not engage with that bullshit, even if I was interested in the content.

  • saigot@lemmy.caEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    I really really liked Google play music. When they killed it I tried YouTube music, liked a few artists, then went to my normal YouTube subscriptions saw it was flooded by dumps from those artists and unsubbed and never looked back.

    Spotify isn’t nearly as good as gpm but ytm is a non starter for me for exactly this reason.

    YouTube doesn’t care though, they very much want everyone to stop using subscriptions it seems.

  • bloop@beehaw.orgEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    I have separate profiles for youtube music and youtube, for this exact reason.

    • greenskye@beehaw.orgOPEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Does this work with the paid subscriptions? I figured that would require multiple subscriptions. Plus in my experience Google is really hostile to being logged into multiple accounts at a time. I wouldn’t want to have to constantly switch my Gmail for example.

      • bloop@beehaw.orgEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        As long as the accounts are linked to the same email, I think it should be fine. I multiple Youtube brand accounts that are all under the same gmail address.

  • aedyr@lemmy.caEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Yeah I have no interest in Shorts (or TikTok for that matter), but I’m probably aged out of their target demo anyway. I do think, as a general point, platforms shouldn’t be trend-chasing each other. YT does longer form video well. TikTok does vertical video shorts. I say stick to your core competencies.

  • Reil@beehaw.orgEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    I wish I could at least separate my likes list by content type. I hit like/dislike on shorts way more frequently than long-form videos to train that algorithm, but when I go into that list, I’m usually trying to find a long-form video from a while back.

  • plantstho@beehaw.orgEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    I can’t stand Shorts. I don’t even mind the aspect ratio so much, but the lack of a scrubber or even time information is a dealbreaker for me. I wrote an adblock rule to remove them from the website UI, but it is a bit of a bummer how much content is only in Shorts.

    Edit: And the looping!!! Ugh

  • hybrid havoc@beehaw.orgEnglish
    0·
    3 years ago

    I never engage with YouTube Shorts, so I’m mostly just skipping right past those. While I tried out YouTube Music after Google Play Music got shut down, I ultimately did not enjoy it as a service and started using Pandora instead. With that said, I still occasionally see recommendations of playlists on YouTube due to my YouTube Music data. It’s marginally annoying.

    All of this to say, it would probably bother me more if they were all services that I interacted with on a regular basis.

    • greenskye@beehaw.orgOPEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I originally had a Google Play Music subscription. This came with free youtube premium when that launched. My wife gets an incredible amount of value out of youtube premium as she almost exclusively watches youtube content (Game Grumps, Good Mythical Morning, etc). Youtube premium is equivalent to a netflix subscription in our household. Given that I could not drop Premium at this point, it just makes sense to stick with Youtube music vs Spotify or something. I personally don’t mind Youtube music, it works well enough for my casual music listening needs. I just hate the cross contamination of it.

  • lemillionsocks@beehaw.orgEnglish
    0·
    3 years ago

    I just browse music with a different account than I do regular youtube. The shorts dont bother me too much conceptually but I absolutely hate the player with how it doesnt have media controls and forces a portrait mode(especially when im watching youtube on my tv and laptop)

  • brie@beehaw.orgEnglish
    0·
    3 years ago

    I think I used to use a brand account just to separate my music subscriptions and regular subscriptions. I’m not sure if it affected suggestions though.