It’s not even noon and I am so done with the internet for the day
Well, if I had a taco butt plug, everything else would seem lame by comparison.
I could see myself having conversations with an LLM, but I wouldn’t want it to pretend it’s anything other than a program assembling words together.
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“Stop the presses! Send my wife some flowers and bring me an Advil! What do you mean you don’t work for me? You’re hired! Now that you’re hired, you’re fired! Now that you don’t work here, we can be friends! Now that we’re friends, how come you never call? Some friend you are!” hangs up
“God, I love this business!”
It’s not pretending to be anything, that’s just the function you described: assembling words together.
For me, writing like this is always read with the AI voice from Satisfactory. And it slowly gets more and more corrupted.
For me its Stellaris
voice in Stellaris? I don’t remember it having any voice, is that a DLC?
Its for the tutorial I think, you can hear the voice if you go to the steam store page for it, just watch the first trailer in the queue. If you cant be bothered, its a male british robotic voice with a helpful tone.
I liked that game more before all the story stuff and “lore” was added.
This with the right controls and rules could actually be a positive thing for people who don’t want or aren’t ready for a relationship with a real person. However as the people who are running things are Elon, Sam, and Mark, there is fuck all chance of that and whatever this ends up as it will be exploitative and will result in deaths.
Exactly!!! The main problem is not the technology itself but who is in charge of it! Can we really trust one of those moguls to not turn these LLMs into something that ends up killing people?
I heard about this in the radio the other day. People pay a monthly fee for an AI that becomes your “digital partner”.
The reasoning behind, according to them, is that the AI is less dangerous than a human partner because they can’t cheat, can’t abuse you…
And I can’t but wonder where did we take the wrong turn to end up here. Because while I can understand that people can go through some traumatic shit that would made them wary of the opposite sex, considering a machine your sentimental partner can only lead to some extremely fucked up scenarios.
I mean, media has depicted this sort of relationship for pawbably as long as sci-fi has been around? Think like the Star Trek: Original Series episode “What Are Little Girls Made Of?” that depicted sex robots ~60yrs ago. This was always coming, it’s just technology might finally be getting there in a rudimentary way.
While I agree with your point of view… Do we really trust the present AI providers, in the present economic system, to not pull some bullshit that ends in extremely fucked up scenarios?
Oh, absolutely not. That didn’t seem to be the crux of your argument though.
You are right, my main comment didn’t include this part. When I was talking to other users I developed the argument a bit more and I realized that my first comment didn’t convey my argument fully. While I was writing the first comment, it made sense in my head, but the reason why I considered it an awfully bad idea was not clear.
“Pawbably”. Adorable.
Thank you! :3
The reasoning behind, according to them, is that the AI is less dangerous than a human partner because they can’t cheat, can’t abuse you…
it also can’t love you, rendering the entire exercise pointless
Wasn’t there a guy who married his 3DS dating game girlfriend a while back? I’m not sure this is exactly a new phenomenon.
It was more of an oddity. Right now, the numbers are not just “some random guy” but something in much higher numbers.
Not to be that person but… source? I don’t follow this topic much, but I imagine its actually a very small amount of peolle being amplified into a way bigger issue than it actually is.
I’m trying to find an English source as the one I can offer right now is in Spanish. If i find another one, I’ll post it, meanwhile, this is my source: https://cadenaser.com/nacional/2025/02/28/es-rentable-y-da-mucho-miedo-la-reflexion-de-javier-ruiz-sobre-las-parejas-de-mentira-cadena-ser/
apparently, there’s this Replika company that offers artificial boyfriends and they are growing rapidly.
Wait replika is still around?
I’d rather choose a bear than choose an AI…
we live though a serious loneliness epidemic.
and capitalism figured out how to exploit it
Capitalism created it too, classic create problem and sell solution model. Fucking ghoulish
Capitalism:
We make our on economy
And this has actually been going on since before the pandemic. Shits fucked. This kinda parasocial shit is imo kind of a natural evolution from youtubers > streamers > vtubers > TTS vtubers > LLM TTS vtubers > LLMs
This is too disturbing I don’t want to believe this is for real. These people must be taking the piss, please?
Not at all. Some people are really using these chatbots as emotional support or even therapists, sometimes with devastating results (suicide).
I think the decline of organized religion and things like fraternal orders (Elks, Moose, Shriners, etc.) have probably contributed a lot to the loneliness epidemic. There are a lot of other extenuating factors but those two things were once foundational to social circles in the US.
It’s not loneliness, it’s rugged individualism! It’s not anti-union/anti-community propaganda to keep the masses weak; I mean have you seen union dues?! /s
But don’t worry, those same people who say shit like that are so desperate for community that they’ll never leave their hometown except for when their local far-right militia chapter goes out to harrass a protest or attack their country’s government for having a fair election.
All I’m hearing is that the cure for male loneliness is a radical leftist militia
Only if you hang out at the park after practicing to have some beverages and shoot the shit
“OK, now let’s have some fun. Let’s talk about sex. Let’s talk about women. Freud said he didn’t know what women wanted. I know what women want. They want a whole lot of people to talk to. What do they want to talk about? They want to talk about everything.
What do men want? They want a lot of pals, and they wish people wouldn’t get so mad at them.
Why are so many people getting divorced today? It’s because most of us don’t have extended families anymore. It used to be that when a man and a woman got married, the bride got a lot more people to talk to about everything. The groom got a lot more pals to tell dumb jokes to.
A few Americans, but very few, still have extended families. The Navahos. The Kennedys.
But most of us, if we get married nowadays, are just one more person for the other person. The groom gets one more pal, but it’s a woman. The woman gets one more person to talk to about everything, but it’s a man.
When a couple has an argument, they may think it’s about money or power or sex, or how to raise the kids, or whatever. What they’re really saying to each other, though, without realizing it, is this: “You are not enough people!”
I met a man in Nigeria one time, an Ibo who has six hundred relatives he knew quite well. His wife had just had a baby, the best possible news in any extended family.
They were going to take it to meet all its relatives, Ibos of all ages and sizes and shapes. It would even meet other babies, cousins not much older than it was. Everybody who was big enough and steady enough was going to get to hold it, cuddle it, gurgle to it, and say how pretty it was, or handsome.
Wouldn’t you have loved to be that baby?”
― Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian
I’ve found makerspaces to be a secular alternative. The makerspace has to specifically foster community, though. There’s quite a few that are just techbros with a clique that you ain’t in.
Covid also killed a lot of the social aspects of my makerspace, and it’s been hard to build it back.
I’ve found that there are often two bicycle scenes: gear nerd which is expensive, and the people who think it’s all the cooler that your ride is a fixed up junker or bought 2nd+ hand. The latter are a great source of cheap community, especially if you’re interested in volunteering fixing up bicycles
ETA: The second community also wants to teach you how to repair your bike even if you don’t want to hang out with them. Look for bicycle co-ops in your area. Often they’ll have a pay what you can for stand time and they’ll charge for parts, but they’re happy to teach you to fix up your bike. They’ll also sell you an affordable bike they’ve fixed up and they’re likely to be flexible in accordance with needs.
Yeah I tried that with a local makerspace and it didn’t work out for me, sadly. I wanted a sense of community, contact with likeminded people to do stuff together. They just offered lots of machinery to be used in solitude. It went like this: “So, you wanna 3d print something? Sure, just go to person X, they will show you how to operate the thing. You don’t know how all of this works? We have some resources on our discord to get you started.” Okayyyy
FWIW, the major makerspace in my area–or what was the major makerspace–was a lot like that. A couple of people didn’t like that and started a new one, with myself and my wife coming on board almost right away. It took a long time and I’m not sure our story can be easily replicated, but we’re now the bigger of the two in terms of space and membership size.
But like I said, Covid was a brick wall for our social aspects.
How does anyone enjoy this? It doesn’t even feel real. No spelling mistakes? What the fuck is a skycot?
I may have never had a match on a dating app that wasn’t a cryptobot or only fans girl, but I also don’t swipe right on every single woman on it. You’d think my loneliness would attempt me to try and pretend it was real or something, but it just doesn’t work.
LLMs are going to make the world stupid, I guarantee it.
LLMs are going to make the world stupid, I guarantee it.
Waaaaaaay too late for that…
Stupider?
I think the constant brain rot from the cradle will have a much worse effect in that regard. In my uneducated opinion, LLMs are scary due to cultivating delusions of every kind.
One thing that comes to mind is that prostitution, no matter how you spin it, is still a social job. If you get a problematic person like that in prostitution, there are good chances that said prostitute would be able to talk their customer out of doing some nonsense. If not for empathy, for the simple fact that there would be legal consequences for not doing so.
Do you think a glorified spreadsheet that people call husband would behave the same? Don’t know if it happened but one of these days LLMs will talk people into doing something very nasty and then it’s going to be no one’s fault again, certainly not the host of the LLM. We really live in a boring dystopia.
Edit: Also there’s this one good movie which I forgot the name of, about a person talking to one of these LLMs as a girlfriend. They have a bizarre, funny and simultaneously creepy and disturbing scene where the main character who’s in love with the LLM, hires a woman who puts a camera on her forehead to have sex with his LLM “girlfriend”.
Also, my quite human husband also voices his thoughts without a prompt. Lol. You only need to feed him to function, no internet required.
The movie you’re thinking of is Her with Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlett Johansson, and in the story she’s a true general AI.
Also, my quite human husband also voices his thoughts without a prompt. Lol. You only need to feed him to function, no internet required.
Sometimes, with humans, I’d say the problem is quite the opposite: they voice their thoughts without a prompt far more often than what would be desirable.
On a less serious note, that quoted part made me chuckle.
They shouldn’t be so harsh to LLMs. They have something in common with humans after all. If you stick a patch cable with internet up theirs, they will become very talkative very quickly.
A problem with LLM relationships is the monetization model for the LLM. Its “owner” either receives a monthly fee from the user, or is able to get data from the user to monetize selling them stuff. So the LLM is deeply dependant on the user, and is motivated to manipulate a returned codependency to maintain its income stream. This is not significantly different than the therapy model, but the user can fail to see through manipulation compared to “friends/people who don’t actually GAF” about maintaining a strong relationship with you.
This is not significantly different than the therapy model, but the user can fail to see through manipulation compared to “friends/people who don’t actually GAF” about maintaining a strong relationship with you.
That’s why therapists have ethical guidelines and supervision. (Also they are typically people who are driven to help, not exploit the vulnerable.) None of these are really present with those glorified autocompletes.
one big difference between an AI friend and therapy is that therapy requires an effort per visit, even if insurance is providing unlimited access. Without acknowledging the power of ethical guidelines as guard rails, the LLM is motivated to sustain the subscription and datacollection stream.
Yeah but as a husband, we have waste heat to manage, plus just normal waste.
holy shit, that movie is 12 years old 👴
funnily enough I have a friend who’ve been obsessed in trying to make LLM saying slur or breaking its rules in general.
When the term “clanker” went on trend recently and I told my friend that it’s a “slur” for robots for no bots have feelings anyway unlike human which deserve basic respect, the friend managed to gaslit the LLM with that argument into saying 10 slurs for bots/LLM.
One of which is “wirewanker”. alongside 9 other terms which include corporate forbidden words like “fucker”, “cunt”, etc.
wirewanker would be a great insult for a friend with a hilariously long and thin dick
goddamnit lmao 🤣🤣
Bunch of fuckin’ meep-mops stealing jobs for our hardworking software engineers.
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meh. I don’t blame the AI. I blame the engineers and executives that paid to build it. Never forget GIGO. The AI is literally just running the instructions it was given…and those were given to him by some amoral developer or dirtbag c-suite creature who couldn’t give two flying fucks at a rolling donut when it came to human decency.
Yep, a lot of people seem to forget that these Machines act like this because a human told them to.
Because, you know… They are machines.
There are so, so many horrifying ethical issues about this whole thing. What the fuck.
the human race outlives it’s usefulness, I don’t see any chance of reaching even type 1 level… we’re trash and a waste of biological mass…
Humans aren’t trash, capitalists and, to a lesser, more temporary extent, those indoctrinated by them are.
Human history disagrees with you. At every single point in our existence, we have been trash. Doesn’t matter what they believed in, what era, what continent, humans have always slaughtered, raped, taken, abused, etc., to get what they wanted.
Hey, I’ve already got Type II.
All space people must be sent to space as soon as possible.
Abort wireborn babies
Stop, Dave
