• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      12·
      5 months ago

      You don’t need Linux, you just need to get the driver from Nvidia’s website.

      If they can’t figure this out, they really don’t belong on Linux.

    • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠@programming.dev
      913·
      5 months ago

      You’d have the same issue with this on Linux, no? It isn’t OS-specific.

      EDIT: I meant in general. Software on Linux is also subject to the UKs temper tantrum laws, same as on Windows. The Nvidia driver is just an example, you can also just download the driver on Windows without needing their companion app.

      • BakedCatboy@lemmy.mlEnglish
        22·
        5 months ago

        The official proprietary Nvidia drivers are just a regular Linux package I’m 99% sure, I have it installed on my laptop and it doesn’t involve a gui app at all.

        • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          113·
          5 months ago

          You don’t want to, though. They’re horrible. There’s an insane amount of effort that would be required to reverse-engineer drivers since Nvidia is at best negligent. AMD and Intel are much better about OSS.

          • codenul@lemmy.ml
            8·
            5 months ago

            been plug and play for me using Nvidia + Linux for years now. Just upgraded to a 5070ti, literally was take out old, put in the new.

            • batmaniam@lemmy.world
              4·
              5 months ago

              I’m not fully a penguin, but getting there. Saw the memes, experienced it first hand in one case and was plug and play in another. It’s luck of the draw.

              • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
                1·
                5 months ago

                There’s a learning curve, sure.

                There was one for Windows too, but most people don’t remember the hundreds of hours of learning that they’ve done to become competent users of Windows.

                Just jump in, don’t dual boot. Having no option of giving up and booting Windows makes you motivated to learn how to use Linux.

                There’s a community of people who will help (while also sometimes being insufferable assholes) and the skills you learn will be more durable. You’re not going to see Linux 11 come along and mandate that you buy a new computer or anything.

                • batmaniam@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  4 months ago

                  Oh I’ve loved it so far. And you’re right on the “what you learn is more useful”. Like I’d done a fair amount of hobby/work prototype stuff on rasbian, and eventually went “man, it’d be great if this but more horsepower” and wound up Debian.

                  Anyway, my point is despite doing a fair amount of coding, and circuit level electronics including troubleshooting comms and all the fun things like race conditions that go into that, I had zero idea how a computer was actually arranged. Troubleshooting Debian helped me with that and is infinitely transferable as opposed to being a tip and trick with windows.

                  But my original comment was just about Nvidia cards. I’ve had some I just slot in and they work, and some I have to spend an afternoon troubleshooting. Still reinforces your point though, troubleshooting it the first time was how I learned how things actually get displayed.

            • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
              4·
              5 months ago

              That is no longer the case. The Nvidia drivers for Linux are pretty decent, these days. They’re still closed source, so if that’s a deal breaker for you, you’ll need to buy an AMD GPU.

              • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                52·
                5 months ago

                I’m not sure if the closed-source drivers have social media garbage on them at the moment, but I’m very sure that I don’t trust Nvidia not to add it.

              • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world
                3·
                5 months ago

                The problem is not that they are bad, is that if someone makes a project that depends on the specific drivers then it will work much worse if the drivers are closed source. Wayland was unusable with nvidia drivers until recently.

          • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            5 months ago

            they are at a point where it’s not even really limited by reverse engineering, but that only the nvidia-signed drivers can increase the gpu’s frequencies to anything near performant.

      • Zetta@mander.xyz
        8·
        5 months ago

        The key thing is Linux is free and open source, free as In eat shit and fucking die government fucking pigs.

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        5 months ago

        No you would not because you don’t need to go to the website to download software to use Nvidia on Linux. Also the Nvidia driver on Linux is literally just a driver and settings package it has no online features

      • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
        5·
        5 months ago

        I’m not aware that the Nvidia drivers for Linux require an app registration. If that were the case, I’d definitely have heard about the uproar.

      • Lfrith@lemmy.ca
        4·
        5 months ago

        Those are probably only on mobile so their knowledge of navigating a PC is probably worse than a boomer and don’t even understand the concept of folders and files.

          • Lfrith@lemmy.ca
            2·
            5 months ago

            There’s always going to be exceptions among those with a more natural tech based interest, but it used to be that everyone was exposed to using a desktop and not something that someone had to individually go out of their way to learn.

            This article all day way from back in 2021 showed professors having to rethink how to teach the basics, since now skills that were expected to be known were starting to not be common knowledge.

            Gradually, Garland came to the same realization that many of her fellow educators have reached in the past four years: the concept of file folders and directories, essential to previous generations’ understanding of computers, is gibberish to many modern students.

            https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z

            So yeah people who are more interested in PC gaming, streaming, and even pirating are more likely to find resources to be self taught. But, the regular people who are increasingly growing up only using phones as their computing device aren’t doing the same until forced to.

        • zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          5 months ago

          Yep. I feel like a failure of a father. I was talking to my 12 year old about some website and she was all “what app is that?”

          It’s not an app, it’s a website.

          But there’s no website app.

          You use a web browser? Like Firefox?

          What’s a a web bowser? Is Firefox a new furry?

          • Lfrith@lemmy.ca
            1·
            5 months ago

            I’d probably be the same if it wasn’t for video games. Wanting to build my own PC was what educated me the most about computers and how they work and learning basic desktop usage. Especially getting into Skyrim and Minecraft mods. There whether someone wants to or not they will have to know basic folder structure and where things are saved and located.

            But, without a self driven reason to dive further beyond mobile devices it doesn’t seem like schools are teaching people computer basics anymore. So not something learned by everyone by just every day life.

    • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
      522·
      5 months ago

      It’s like people are just now noticing that they have zero ability to control their own digital lives because they traded it all away in order to not have to take the time to learn how to do things for themselves.

      • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
        131·
        5 months ago

        We all need to make what we know freely available in a friendly manner to make the path to Linux easier and more fun.

        • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          72·
          5 months ago

          in a friendly manner

          Emphasis on “friendly” because there’s a big “RTFM” issue on some Linux communities. Sure, it can be annoying getting the same questions constantly. But the “RTFM” response is condescending and artificially inflates the barrier to entry. People shouldn’t be expected to read, understand, and remember 200 pages of dense documentation just to learn how to update their graphics drivers. If someone is learning how to drive, telling them “read the owner’s manual for your car” is just toxic. Sure the owners manual will have lots of useful info, but that doesn’t actually help the person who is trying to get started.

          At the very least, point them in the right direction. You can say “RTFM” while still being helpful. Oh, you want to know how to do something specific via CLI? Cool, here’s a link to that specific section, which explains what the command you need does. As it currently stands, a lot of the most crucial info for newcomers is buried in obscure wiki articles and books. And longtime Linux users treat the struggle like a rite of passage. But not everyone is interested in that; They just want to ditch Windows because they can’t install Win11, and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.

          • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
            5·
            5 months ago

            I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying.

            Linux has historically been a space for tech people and so the default assumption is that the user is competent (jokes aside…) and capable of understanding technical writing.

            So, naturally, if a person asks a question which is answered in the documentation then they’re reminded that the answers exist already in the expected places and asking other people to do your own research for you rude.

            The Linux demographic is shifting and we need to adjust, but cultural norms change slowly.

            and they’re looking for friendly alternatives.

            I think that this is part of the trap that keeps people stuck in the spyware/enshittification market.

            Technology is complicated.

            Try to imagine, from a technical point of view, how complex it is to run a service like Netflix. There are a lot of highly trained people designing, managing and maintaining the various systems to run the service that lets a user touch a picture on their phone screen to see a movie.

            The user has an easy, friendly experience but that’s only because Netflix handles all of the complexity. This seems like a good deal initially. I mean, $10 $12 $15 $19.99/mo is a good price to pay to not have to know how to do all of that.

            But, now the user is completely dependent on service providers to stand between them and the complexity of technology so they never have a chance to learn because they never see how anything works.

            This Faustian bargain is what lets these companies continue to spy on people and jack up the price of services while offering less service. Where are the users going to go?

            Linux and the open source community offer a different bargain. You have to learn how to do things for yourself, but now you have actual meaningful choices about how you use technology and a community of people who are trying to solve the same problems as you.

            Sure, it isn’t as easy. But easy isn’t free, and I’m tired of paying what they want to charge.

          • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            5 months ago

            My literal job consists of helping other (generally much less technically savvy) representatives provide support to our end users, and it being their literal job to provide “tech” help to users is still not enough of an incentive for 80+% of them to learn anything beyond basic computing. Sometimes it’s like pulling teeth just to get a fucking click path or screenshot of what’s actually happening.

            Now expand that out to now I am not getting paid to help people and those asking for help are often VERY entitled that they deserve to have their hand held through the entire process. It’s frustrating and often thankless.

            There’s an older manual for how to ask a “hacker” for technical help that I think is so spot on for setting proper expectations: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

        • FauxLiving@lemmy.world
          4·
          5 months ago

          Up until now, we’ve been hiding it in wikis and books, where we know nobody will look. 😂

          There are some user friendly distributions, but even they will be uncomfortable and frustrating to use when you’re new.

          Having to relearn how to use a computer is daunting for people. It’s a lot easier to just touch an app and have the instant gratification.

          The point of all of these apps and services is to get people dependent on them so that they’re unwilling to leave because the alternative requires effort. I don’t know that Linux, as a whole, can ever be that user friendly. But, eventually some people will be tired of being squeezed for cash and spyed on just to save a few weeks of reading and learning.

    • network_switch@lemmy.ml
      5·
      5 months ago

      I remember in 2019 my workplace was doing large guest lectures from experts teaching how to work with millennials entering the workplace. The teacher early on tried to emphasize that most millennials at that point were late 20s up to almost 40 so everyone’s been working with them for a good amount of time now and the crowd was not interested in that.

      Just venting about their teenage children who were gen z but wasn’t a term used much for a couple more years. Just as entertaining were old millennials in denial and certain they were gen x. Not as entertaining were old gen z that thought they were millennials but learned they were actually gen z and it was a moment of shrug shoulder and pretty much being like, “neat.” Like thinking your astrological sign or zodiac animal was one thing your whole life but was off by one.

      Similar to like 2021/2022 when I started hearing about how terrible gen z workers out of college were because of growing up on tiktok. Gen z in the workforce at that time grew up on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and Snapchat. Twitter was genz and millennials tertiary social media. When TikTok came out they had been working for years already or just about to finish undergrad college. 2021/2022 gen z who had the brain rot got that well before TikTok became popular

    • Zerush@lemmy.ml
      20·
      5 months ago

      As one of the first Baby Boomers, it’s somewhat surrealistic for me to proof that I’m old enough to access an fucking web page.

      • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        12·
        5 months ago

        As a millennial, it, too, is insane.

        Which begs the question: who thinks this is a needed thing and a good idea? Who is pushing this agenda?

        • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
          12·
          5 months ago

          somebody in another post a few days ago suggested that this was about gaining control of the media narrative by gradually locking down parts of the internet. The idea being that today it’s adult content but tomorrow its about disagreeable narratives on YouTube, TikTok, and other secondary sources of Information.

          -I’d think it were a stretch of the imagination but it was shown that the motives for trying to ban TikTok (in the U.S.) were the narratives shared on the platform about Israel’s ongoing genocide.

        • floofloof@lemmy.ca
          2·
          5 months ago

          It’s about surveillance and control. Censor what people can see, require ID so you can monitor who’s viewing what, and let people know you see what they’re doing so that they become wary of using the internet for political organization. Pedophiles and terrorists are just convenient bogeymen to scare people into assenting to this.

      • Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        5 months ago

        I hear that - I was around when Arche and Fido-net and BBS’es were king. You want my id? Great I’ll just fax it to you.

      • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        10·
        5 months ago

        Personally, I don’t know.

        From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Generation :

        The Lost Generation was the demographic cohort that reached early adulthood during World War I, and preceded the Greatest Generation. The social generation is generally defined as people born from 1883 to 1900, coming of age in either the 1900s or the 1910s, and were the first generation to mature in the 20th century. The term is also particularly used to refer to a group of American expatriate writers living in Paris during the 1920s.[1][2][3] Gertrude Stein is credited with coining the term, and it was subsequently popularized by Ernest Hemingway, who used it in the epigraph for his 1926 novel The Sun Also Rises: “You are all a lost generation.”[4][5] “Lost” in this context refers to the “disoriented, wandering, directionless” spirit of many of the war’s survivors in the early interwar period.[6]

        In the wake of the Industrial Revolution, Western members of the Lost Generation grew up in societies that were more literate, consumerist, and media-saturated than ever before, but which also tended to maintain strictly conservative social values. Young men of the cohort were mobilized on a mass scale for World War I, a conflict that was often seen as the defining moment of their age group’s lifespan. Young women also contributed to and were affected by the war, and in its aftermath gained greater freedoms politically and in other areas of life. The Lost Generation was also heavily vulnerable to the Spanish flu pandemic and became the driving force behind many cultural changes, particularly in major cities during what became known as the Roaring Twenties.

        Later in their midlife, they experienced the economic effects of the Great Depression and often saw their own sons leave for the battlefields of World War II. In the developed world, they tended to reach retirement and average life expectancy during the decades after the conflict, but some significantly outlived the norm. The Lost Generation became completely ancestral when the last surviving person who was known to have been born in the Lost Generation or during the 19th century, Nabi Tajima, died in 2018 at age 117.[7]

      • Tingle@lemmy.world
        1·
        5 months ago

        It’s to do with the amount of people that were killed in WW1, essentially the sheer number of people that died during the war resulted in a generation nearly ceasing to exist.

    • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
      6·
      5 months ago

      Oh great, a graph telling me I’m going to die soon. I’m not even that old.

        • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
          5·
          5 months ago

          I’ve let my family know that SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone can have my VHS tape of the original West End production of Cats, my Windows 98 CD-R with the license key written on it in marker pen, my Tazos collection (all 4 of them) and my Haynes Workshop Manual for Ford Escort. Enjoy.

      • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        5 months ago

        Because when you were born correlates with your cultural experiences and therefore your behaviors. Not always, bit broadly. And if you try to define groupings for those years, you can see clearly defined generations, that were really clear with the baby boomers, who were the American children of American soldiers coming back from world war 2, and then their resultant children, generation y/the “millennials”, named thusly for coming of age around the time of the millennium.

        Like sure, it’s all social constructs. But, so is language.

        Baby boomers generally got some of the biggest economical booms in history, along with the population “boom” of their births. But that was only if you were able, white, cisgender, heterosexual, and male. The civil rights movements of the 50s, 60s, and onwards were both possible but also necessary because of the empowerment of those demographics.

        But also, because of that general success, a lot of baby boomers (cishet white men) took on the behavioral traits of being largely pieces of shit. Not all, just like “not all men”. But, it’s enough of a pattern of entitlement and sexism and repression and psychosocial behavioral resultant of lead poisoning, that that’s what the baby boomer generation is kind’ve seen as, now, regardless if any individual does or doesn’t fit any of those things.

        And so, we can largely group and label the generation and attach it to a current age group and try to predict or explain behavior.

        Unfortunately, this is also discrimination in many cases where it isn’t true. Personally, I try to avoid profiling entirely because the habit is gross. But, I would be lying if I said I didn’t clearly see a solid pattern. I know, that they’re just people like the rest of us, and if we were in their shoes, we would entirely end up just like them. But then that again brings it to it being generational, and not just age.

        You think I like being reminded and disappointed when people end up fitting their negative stereotypes? You think it’s easy to try to be a good person against my own upbringing? It’s not. But we have to try. And working to understand is a big part of that. More people need to ask “why”, and, I know you were asking rhetorically, but you were close enough that I think it deserves recognition. So, good on you for that.

        Whatever the millennial generation ends up being known for, I’m curious. But until then, we can’t give up trying to make ourselves, the world, and each other better. Because once you give up… Well… We can never give up.

        “Why not?” Etc etc.

      • 1371113@lemmy.world
        7·
        5 months ago

        They’ve never been hidden. You just go to the website, put in your model and download it. There’s apps that do it for you now which is where this must be coming from. Still doesn’t change the fact you can directly download the driver.

          • 1371113@lemmy.world
            3·
            5 months ago

            That’s what in used to use but there are some features you can’t access without the physx components so I get the whole package now. For baseline it’s good for sure.

        • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          5 months ago

          Maybe they were harder to find on their site like a decade ago when I first got an Nvidia card and I just never tried looking again.

          • MrNobody@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            31·
            5 months ago

            Nope. Always been that way. Enter model, choose platform, download drivers. Ive had to do it for at least a decade and a half since the nvidia program has never not borked out trying to update drivers.

            • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              3·
              5 months ago

              you are speaking about the advanced search page, but I don’t even know how would I find it without my bookmark

              • 1371113@lemmy.world
                2·
                5 months ago

                lol. Yeah navigating any driver website is a pita. I just search nVidia driver download and it drops me there.

          • 1371113@lemmy.world
            21·
            5 months ago

            It’s been the same for 20 years at least. My first nVidia card was a geforce2 but I had an integrated SOC one that borrowed main board memory before that called a RIVA TNT 2. Prior to that had an ISA SVGA card but can’t remember who made it:

      • Ajen@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        5 months ago

        They’re hidden in the same sense that the real “download” button is hidden on most torrent sites.

  • irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    14·
    5 months ago

    Not adjusting settings, but definitely auto updates which require a login and they’ve been adding more and more things that require an account so they can track you.