• Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    7 months ago

    In a more general way, other creatures don’t experience taste the same way we do.

    Bird poop is really nutritious to seeds. It makes sense for those plants to be eaten by birds (with the seed passing through the digestive tract untouched), but avoid other creatures.

    Enter capcasin. Mammals find it intolerable (except for one subset of a goofy bipedal species), but birds love that shit.

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      Enter capcasin. Mammals find it intolerable (except for one subset of a goofy bipedal species), but birds love that shit.

      I know someone with a dog that loves jalapenos. So its not just us.

      • I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        A friend of mine has a dog who likes to chew on large landscaping rocks. The vet said to put hot sauce on the ones in the yard. Dog was like “OMG, you SEASONED them for ME???” cromch cromch cromch

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      7 months ago

      We’re all so fucking sick of our lemons! Yeah they got so sour, please take them away. No it ain’t too much to be wishing for better, cause I’d sooner dry right up than make lemonade from this.

      Source: Lemonade - Fox Stevenson

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      7 months ago

      shout out to pomelo, fucking og i’d never even heard of, responsible for two of my favorite fruits

      • I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        I always thought pomelo was some kind of over bred accident that was trying to be passed off as gourmet citrus with its two inch thick pith and its disappointing flavor. I suppose it gets a pass as it’s an actual naturally occurring fruit.

  • алсааас [she/her]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I was today years old when I realised that “When life gives you lemons” might be a metaphor for bitter/sour situations you experience but are outside your own control…

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      It’s not even selection, though.

      We grafted those citruses into existence.

      They’re delicious Frankenstein style abominations unto nature.

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      It is different if it is a passive or active process though. The initial question is, in how far lemons benefit from this evolved trait. The benefits might be very different between passive or active evolution here. If it were passive, lemon plants might benefit by avoiding some disadvantageous animal species feeding on them. As it is active though, the benefit is that they are grown more by humans. The feedback loop between evolution and trait selection is very different if it is active or passive I’d say.

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      What even is “natural”? Aren’t humans part of nature? If a wolf kills all white rabbits and rabbits become black thats natural selection, but if a human chooses which animals/plants get to reproduce it isn’t? I say its still natural, as is climate change and any other thing human made. (Which doesn’t mean it is good and we should continue doing it)

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        7 months ago

        Cool Thing about that is that the theory is that it was selected for exactly to ward off non birds so that only birds eat it and the seeds go further!

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          7 months ago

          Woah. Imagine the first spicy plant. The mammals stay away from it, but the birds still eat it. They then bring the plant to a place where the plant doesn’t exist yet. Plant flourishes. Repeat.

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      7 months ago

      you don’t even need to resort to other animals, lots of humans are fucked and will happily suck on a lemon wedge with 0 indication that it’s remotely sour

      like, i enjoy sour stuff, but if i touch my tongue to a raw lemon my entire face inverts

  • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
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    My understanding is lemons are a hybrid that arose without human intervention. Their persistence is because of humans intervention.