And still some people think it will be fine in 3.5 years.
It absolutely won’t be.
But it might be moving in the right direction.
Regardless, will take decades/generations to fully recover from this, if ever.
No, you’ll never recover. Your previous status was the result of a very specific set of historical circumstances (specifically the fact that you were the only major power left standing after World War 2) that aren’t going to repeat. If you fall, the best you can hope for in terms of recovery is to equal the other developed countries of the world. You’ll never exceed them again.
Unfortunately Americans cannot stand being told they don’t live in the greatest country on earth. It’s a wonder that fascism took this long to win in the US, because it’s fundamentally hyper-compatible with American Exceptionalism which every American besides a tiny fraction of far-leftists believe to be inherently and unshakably true.
Where do you go from there when most of your population wouldn’t accept a trade alliance that doesn’t massively favor the US? Because even if Trump is impeached tomorrow that’s what Fox News will be running all day every day to successfully torpedo anyone attempting to rebuild the country.
I believe the same. They will recover eventually, but they will never be a superpower again.
Which is fine. Really would love to not have a fall happen, but ultimately if the rest of the world can thrive and move forward even with our current idiocracy taking hold, I can live with that. All I hope for is that this will pass and we can rise up from it.
Especially given that even in the best case scenario the period of recovery will be 8 years maximum. No matter who will be the next president, the one after will be another angry conservative, and I don’t believe there will be a lot of progress after.
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
Or another way to look at it- cutting nearly 75% of scientists. Can’t have climate change if there’s no one working! Watch them find some money to give to ExxonMobile to ‘study’ the impacts of fossil fuels. Wonder what that report will say! /s
No need for the /s I fully expect that is what will happen. Also a great firewall, so yanks can’t access unapproved information from over seas
Has an empire ever been so complicit in their own demise?
Maybe Pol Pot murdering intellectuals and people who wear glasses?
But was Cambodia really an empire?
Maybe theocracies like Afghanistan. Even North Korea likes scientists.
Yes, many times. Historically, it seems like the very strong empires first defeated themselves and once they were sufficiently weakened for outside forces to be able to threaten them … they still kept being self sabotaged by their own elite who prioritized maneuvering against each other for temporary power/wealth grabs over working together to face the outside threats.
The late Roman empire has a bunch of good examples: blatant corruption, over taxation of the poor, many assassinations, sabotaging their peers that were trying to improve the situation, constant civil war, the battle that destroyed the military backbone of the western Roman empire was fought between romans, … And all that while the empire was being torn apart by outside invasions.
Or a more recent example: the polish Lithuanian commonwealth had a paralyzed government thanks to corrupt elites with veto powers in their parliament of nobles (sejm) and only once the nation was mostly destroyed and the nation on the cusp of final destruction, did the sejm introduce some sensible new laws, but it was too late.
With smaller regional powers you can have cases like “they were in a golden age and had never been as powerful, but then the mongols appeared”, but with hegemon empires the failure of their inner workings is always going to be instrumental in their own demise.
Speed running towards Idiocracy by 2028
no need to rush it, were already here.
who am I kidding, President Camacho would be way better than Trump and most DNC candidates.
I enjoy that movie less and less, not because it’s a bad movie, but quite the opposite.
If you know exactly the level of education of your supporters and your enemies. It’s time to attack the level of your enemies.
Idiocracy with fascist characteristics.
At least all the people in Idiocracy were united and happy in their ignorant world.
And their leader listened to the smarter guy around. The most unrealistic part of the movie
Thanks to trump, we get to witness a country entering dark ages.
*Trump voters
If you can get out, now’s the time.
If not, now’s the time to buy guns and ammo.
Unironically… Where’s the best place to go if you can get out and only speak english?
in research? English is enough in most countries I think, I have friends here (France) who just start learning french after 10 years living here 😅 they just didn’t need it before
If you’re willing to learn at any pace, and can do at least some “skilled work” as they call it, then just about everywhere. Usually you have 5 to 10 years to learn the language if you want to stay permanently. You can get by with English in most of europe.
Usually, if there is not a lot of jobs you can do speaking English, it means that the region isn’t exactly rich and/or accommodating anyway.Almost anywhere in Europe is the answer. My son did his masters in Denmark and never learned Danish. He lives in Germany now and speaks fuck all German.
Once in the Netherlands, after losing my glasses I asked an optician if he could speak English and he was thoroughly insulted.
Britain and Ireland are both native English.
And share them with your friends. Learn from Lenin, learn from the Vietnamese, learn from Alpaca farms.
Maybe also learn how to build molotov cocktails, how to grow vegetables in your apartment, and stock some durable food.
Hey Europe and Canada, anyone still looking for a scientist that just wants to do lab work? I prefer chemistry, but am happy with micro too. Just let me interpret data, please. I’m stuck somewhere where titrations are the most complex process.
German universities are always hiring. Always. And in my experience they need just about everyone
If you have an Irish grandparent you can get a passport. Lots of work here and Americans are welcome.
Otherwise work visas that turn into residency aren’t difficult to come by with sponsorship and it’s not the kind of sponsorship that makes you a slave.
How about a great grandparent. My grandma was born in NYC but great grandad came from Ireland into Ellis island.
Mmmm. I’m not sure tbh but I don’t think so. If your grandmother had an Irish passport though that might work. Worth checking if you’re considering it.
My sister lives in the UK a long time now and all her kids have an Irish passport. It’s actually a great passport to have for travel. EU is obviously wide open but most places accept it without much (or zero) effort.
In my faculty, there’s often vacants for lab technicians, if you want to give it a go
The pharma industry is currently booming in Denmark (Novo and others are expanding like crazy), so perhaps you could try and look into that
Deeply unserious managers of empire continue to self-cannibalize their own productivity in an effort to go even more all-in on financial capital, all while the global south is doing its best to pivot towards more favorable relations with countries like China. When the US Empire runs out of countries to exploit, and financial capital ceases to be profitable, it will have no developed industrial base nor a strong scientifically trained worker base to pull itself back up. The US is cooked, this is just speedrunning the demise of the empire in a faster and harder fashion.
The good news is that the worse this gets, the more favorable the conditions for organizing become, and the more vulnerable to revolution the state becomes. We can legitimately take advantage of this, and gain mastery over capital, rather than the inverse. We can re-industrialize, become socialist, and begin the long and difficult but necessary path towards legitimate progress. It won’t be easy, but it will be doable.
A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, are incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
Turning the US into Russia 2.0
As an outsider, I honestly and sincerely invite anyone to explain how any of what’s going on in the US today isn’t as American as apple pie and school shootings?
America is still slightly ahead of Russia there, due to the legacy of the USSR. Not that Russia’s billionaires aren’t doing their best to privatize education and keep it out of reach of the peasantry since the fall of communism.
As non-american I’m becoming increasingly convinced republicans are actually lead by traitors wanting to destroy the US.
Since Trump is Putin’s puppet, that makes sense.
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I dont think that’s it.
It’s an overwhelming case of “got mine”.
Like sanders said, being a GOP member just means staying in line.
Wanting? No. But they see the impending collapse and rip the copper out of the walls.
So do the Democrats…
I hope they fix their system, but I have no idea how they could.
They need more parties. The two party system is forever broken
First past the post is also forever broken as it inevitably leads to a two-party system.
Critical support for Trump’s struggle against US cultural and scientific imperialism.
You jest, but even though I hate a lot about the Trump regime, I’m glad that it is eating out its own military capacity like this. It’s like when you’re incredibly sick in bed, and then it gets a little better for a while.
The country built on brain drain, assumes it is great without the brain.
I hope the scientist find favorable places that value science.
Welcome to Europe, researchers!
Lots of great choices and don’t worry, you can move to France without knowing French or Denmark without knowing Danish!
Denmark is home away from home. Love it there. It is my most stamped country. :)
wait you dont actually need to know French or Danish? How’s the local perception of English speaking foreigners, i.e. is it offensive to respond in English if the waiters/locals ask in French?
Tbh the language barrier is 1 of the reasons holding me back. Havent tried for positions in France and Denmark yet, but for the ones I looked in Germany and Spain, you need to know German or Spanish. Even the job ads are in German/Spanish…
If you’re in Denmark and speak English to anyone, nobody bats an eye. You’re welcome.
Spain is a better choice, but in Germany are more people speaking English, on the other hand pretty right wing. But in academic circles it becomes irrelevant.
As a Spaniard and former researcher myself, in Spain you can also move without learning Spanish, just apply to the offers in English in Barcelona or Madrid. Those are the best positions anyway. You will struggle more than in Denmark for sure without it, but it’s just because a lot of people speak very little or very poorly. In the big cities it’s much better though.
Long term I’d advise you to keep looking in the north of Europe, Spain is likely to fuck researchers over again as they did during the 2008 crisis.
Yeah he knew about ten words of Danish after over three years there before he moved to Germany. Even his lectures were in English which I was surprised at.
He has had to learn a little German but not that much and he’s there about 18 months now. The office he works in has folks from all over so they just use English.
Netherlands also in my experience basically everyone can speak perfect English.
I prefer to try to use a bit of the local language when I’m travelling myself as I find folks react well to the effort.
I’m terms of offence, it’s unlikely. I’d imagine tourists are common enough everywhere. I have reasonable French myself so I do try to use it when there so I can’t say for France specifically.
If you’ve any other questions I can pass them on to the young lad.
I would Invite them to Germany, but our research policies suck massive balls, sooo: Go to France or Denmark!
The times, they are a’changing
Death to IMPERIALISM
Death to CAPITALISM
Death to FASCISM
Death to MAGA
Europe will welcome them with open arms.
People starts to realize that having a higher wage in the US doesn’t translate into a better quality of life.
i dont believe anywhere is currently safe from fascism.
In the “first world” sphere that regularly ignores and denigrate any country that could be perceived as inferior even if it’s not necessarily, then yes, maybe. We’re doing great over here in some places that are often overlooked.
Unfortunately I think Trumpism is lowering the bar. Maybe right now it’s not fascism everywhere, but there’s no doubt that on a decades time the world will be more fascist than it would have been without Trump.
I have confidence in the one step backward, two steps forward doctrine. If our current government is any indication, we’re heading in the exact opposite direction of the fash trend for the foreseeable future. There’s hope. Please don’t lose yours!
Yeah.
I’m in Australia, I suspect you might be also, but for reference a few months ago our centre-left party ground our centre-right party into the dust in a landslide election victory.
I suppose I agree that its not all bad news.
However, I’m gravely concerned about the US trajectory and I’m certain it will have an impact here sooner or later.
Right now our PM is trying to negotiate the current tariffs. The US will want us to increase military spending, and reduce investment in science and research. We might resist, but it’s certainly pressure to move in the wrong direction.
Quality has nothing to do with the money they gain, but whith what they can buy for it, apart of the quality of the public services. Higher wages in the US mean nothing, when even this isn’t enough for education and health, which in the EU isn’t a problem. There the people don’t lose their existence base because of hospital bills or to pay the studies of their children.
Europe will welcome them with open arms.
The next step in the authoritarian playbook will be to limit the movement of educated people. Soon enough, those people won’t be able to leave even if they wanted to.
