although this is unlikely to substantially and directly impact us and is a more immediate concern for Mastodon and similar fediverse software, we’ve signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact as a matter of principle. that pact pledges the following:
i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity
the maintainer of the site is currently a little busy and seems to manually add signatures so we may not appear on there for several days but here’s a quick receipt that we did indeed sign it.
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I guess I’m the odd one out when I say I fully support this decision. I do not trust Meta, I Do not trust their intentions, and they have given me no reason to trust them.
Thanks Beehaw.
Good call from the instance admins. Meta’s been a known actor for over 10 years at this point, which is more than enough time to observe their behavior (including up to a few weeks ago when they got fined for violating the GDPR). They’re not going to be participating in good faith and we don’t need to give them a chance to shit up the Fediverse.
This is fantastic news and applaud this decision. I used to work in digital marketing and having seen how Facebook, (and Twitter, Google, etc.) makes their sausage and how they operate, I advise everyone get off Meta/FB, or really any centralized social media platform for that matter.
Good choice, who wants to deal with a hundred thousand instagram users sitting in between every fediverse user.
You guys rock!
Only good can come from shutting out corporate interests. Good on you ❤️
Good. To quote WarGames:
The only winning move is not to play
Meta is at best looking to profit from the Fediverse, and more likely looking to extinguish it. I think blocking them at the borders is the only solution.
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I just finished reading it. I must admit that I wasn’t blown away at the start. But the last few paragraphs, especially about the “Embrace, Extend, Exterminate” strategy really convinced me.
I did not remember that Google chat was once a XMPP client and that they pulled the plug on this.
Anyway, I’m totally convinced that the fediverse is most probably better off without Meta. Although, I’m not sure how the fediverse admin can really block them. At some point, some people will want to see meta’s stuff.
It almost feel like we need a legal organization around the fediverse. Just some unorganized random people won’t save whatever we have here. If we still want this to be as free as possible, there will be a time where a giant company will fuck thing up and we may forget why we didn’t want them here in the first place.
Y’all’re great!
Y’all’d’ve done it, too!
Thanks for the transparency. I personally think this is the right move. Meta shouldn’t be trusted, based on their previous performance. If they do something to change that then we’ll see, but I’m not expecting them to change their stripes.
Been catching up on all the NDA drama on Mastodon, it’s really caused a rift between some users and instance admins. Felt a bit like an ‘aww it’s all grown up’ moment to see Mastodon having a scandal.
Nice, I got the vibes you’d do that without having to announce it but I’m glad to hear the commitment. Makes it easier to feel better about building connections here knowing they won’t be thrown apart when Meta comes to town.
Personally speaking, I like announcements on these kinds of decision because it can show public support for the decision and help us in our conviction. It also allows people that don’t agree to find a better place for them.
Definitely agree, I guess I was more just making a point that even without saying anything that’s the vibe I was getting from this instance. Which was meant as a compliment. You folks are doing a great job so far 😊
Oh yeah, I didn’t mean that I was disagreeing - it would be kinda weird for us to defederate from lemmy.world/sh.itjust.works because of lack of mod tools yet accept to try to moderate people from Facebook’s Threads 🤣
I just like it as a vibe check of sort so I thought I’d add that thought!
Good. There’s no place for corporations on the fediverse. Specially not for a corporation like Meta that has shown time after time how dangerous they are.
I appreciate the work you all do. Im a heavier lurker than particpater and i see little fingers of you all taking care of beehaw for us all the time and it makes me smile 😁 good work everyone!
I’m disappointed.
“The fediverse is open and interoperable!”
“No, not them.”
Well, we’ve defederated with other people in the past (and will continue to do so in the future most likely). Federated systems are not an all or nothing situation. IMO that’s the biggest draw and improvement over a distributed system for social media.
I agree, but why defederate before knowing any details? What is the harm in hearing them out
it’s literally Facebook. i think we’ve heard and seen more than enough to from Mark Zuckerberg and the platform which actively continues to be one of the worst vectors of online harm, misinformation, and advocacy for social and political violence (among many, many other ills). particularly with respect to our instance: their project can get fucked as far as i’m concerned.
Anyone here into cross stitching? I’d like to send the Zuck a cross stitch that just says, “Get Fucked”
ahhh, now i think it’d be a funny collaborative idea to send him a fediverse communal “Fuck Off!” blanket
before knowing any details?
before? facebook is almost 20 years old, they’ve had plenty of time to show us who they are and they have. If you have any doubt about their moral fiber then I suggest you pull your head out of your ass and enter the fucking 2020s
The details are under NDA and Facebook has a really bad history of having a terrible moderation culture. I don’t see any reason based on their past history to believe that they will change.
It feels kinda like giving a gun to a serial killer and just waiting it out. It’s an exaggerated analogy but I think it illustrates the point well.
If there’s no issues then we can refederate at any later time.
What is the harm in waiting?
The same harm the inhabitants of the henhouse would come to if they decided to hear the fox out.
Don’t pretend like Meta is going to be open and interoperable.
You can’t look at their history and think letting the fox sleep in the hen house is a good idea. The house is for hens.
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🌍🔥🦊 is encouraged though, especially if you like ad blockers.
I’ll rephrase: 🚫🦊➡️🐓🏠
it’s the paradox of tolerance. We (fediverse) cannot be tolerant of the intolerant (meta in this case), lest we be destroyed by them. And do not for one second ascribe any benevolent properties to meta, they are evil through and through and have been pretty much since inception. Tolerating their presence would be akin to tolerating nazis, the second that happens I’m fucking out of here
This talk of tolerance reminds me of something I read[1]: Tolerance is a peace treaty, not a moral obligation. With this line of thought, the intolerance of intolerance stops being a paradox and makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. Intolerance broke that peace treaty before it even entered into it, IMO.
It may have been this opinion piece: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376 ↩︎
Do you really think Meta wants to be “one of us”, that they plan to be on equal ground as the rest of the already existing instances managed by individuals and not by corporations? Are you that naive?
I agree this seems kneejerk. If Meta refuses to abide by the standards of interoperability and openness then lock them out, but by doing so ahead of time the fediverse is committing the crime it’s pre-punishing Meta for.
Regardless of how untrustworthy Meta as a company is, it also tends to hold the kinds of “mainstream” social media platforms that I have actively been avoiding for many reasons, including their communities. Beehaw has already defederated from other instances for having open sign-up and a disproportionately large number of users on them who needed moderation actions taken, and I can see a Meta-run instance posing the same kinds of problems.
Plus, like others said, it’s not impossible to federate later if it ends up being an overreaction. It’s just that Meta and its userbase already exist, so it’s possible to make pre-emptive judgement with that knowledge and correct the judgement later, potentially avoiding a flood of unwanted content.
Good move. Fuck Zuck.
