I absolutely believe the Fediverse needs to remain a space built on transparency, autonomy, and equity for users, instance admins, and developers working on ActivityPub. Look at the current state of social media, power and money concentrated in the hands of a few, stifling innovation and undermining trust. The centralized model isn’t just flawed, I think it’s had a devastating impact on an entire generation.
The Fediverse offers us a chance to rethink how the internet should work. It’s not just about being a space for free expression; it’s also about proving that a values-driven model can support those who keep the lights on. My main question is, can we implement monetization that honors our commitment to fairness, transparency, and equity, while still ensuring that the people supporting the network earn a livable wage?
This isn’t about getting rich, it’s about creating a sustainable ecosystem that empowers us all to build and maintain a trustworthy digital space. The Fediverse is already a success in its own right, but to truly evolve and thrive, I would argue we need a resource model that can drive sustainable innovation and meaningful progress.
TL;DR: I’d quit my day job tomorrow if I could secure a living wage from this work. Many in tech whold do the same. Is a monetization model that fairly compensates those who support and sustain the Fediverse possible?
Instances could run stake pools and tie the two together somehow. Perhaps in this case, your username follows whatever pool you’re staking to.
It’s a solution look for a problem admittedly. It works better in the case that instances act as retail “clubs” like Costco for example. In that case, stakers to said pool could be authorized to get certain deals on products sold by that instance.
First sign of crypto and I am out. I would speculate that is true of a lot of people in the Fediverse.
From my perspective, there are only two use cases for crypto 1. Criminal activity 2. Pump and dumps
Yeah! How dare people try to have wealth that is actually borderless and self-sovereign. Those idiots are scammers! I will own nothing and be happy. Get out of my way, I need to step in line to bow before the Federal reserve (an organization that I fully admit is corrupt to the core and the very root of the issues in our society). I’m actually a Marxist living in a capitalist society. So, I am too cool to worry about the fact that I actually need money. I’ll just pretend that I don’t need it even though I REALLY do. I’ll do whatever I can to piss on viable alternatives to the Fed just because people were degenerate gamblers and got owned by obvious scammers. Sure the fed can take away my money for no reason, inflate the dollar so that my savings are worth less every single day, and do whatever they feel like with my money but that is a good thing because scammers exist in the world…
sarcasm
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Nice rant. A very provincial take I must I add.
Thanks. 😂 Honestly, I hate scammers. I really do. But they’re SO easy to spot.
I feel that the hivemind threw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to crypto. Thanks to Do Kwan, Sam Bankman Fried, etc, a whole viable set of technologies aimed at wrestling power from the world bank has been vilified by the hivemind.
I don’t know if you know this, but in many places obsession over central banks is simply not a thing. Maybe you need some real problems in your life? It would help you gain perspective.
And btw, the World Bank isn’t actually a world bank in the literal sense of the word.
I don’t have time to educate you but:
- civil asset forfeiture is a thing
- runaway inflation (and deflation of currencies) due to excessive money printing is a thing
- the work bank may not officially be a bank but what it is is a giant conglomerate of corporations that owns nations, takes part in coups, assasination, price fixing, and controls the dollar.
Did you really think I haven’t heard of this copytext? It’s pretty standard spam, no?
This is not a real thing, it’s more about acting out and tantrums. You don’t care or understand about the issues you describe.
With the right oligarch propaganda, you can be trained to claim that spicy mayonnaise is limiting freedumz and shiiiit!!!
Something along the lines of a monthly donation model, perhaps with a nominal “pro” system. A badge to showing that you donate and how many years you’ve been donating (users can disable display of such badges if they want).
I second something like this, don’t make it compulsory but instead something people want to spend money to support.
Great idea. Backed by some kind of Patreon for FOSS. Which might exist already, as I just learned here: Open Collective
Would love to see an optional monthly subscription to Lemmy where funds are automatically distributed based on how you used Lemmy that month. There would have to be a lot of research on how to avoid exploitation, but Open Collective might have some good examples of how to securely handle funds like that
I would love this, great idea
Crazy idea here: would it be possible to have a model where everyone’s phone is a mini personal instance, syncing with others when the user opens the app? When a phone is offline that phones content would be unavailable too, but that is part of the truly decentralised model.
That would drain your battery pretty quickly since it would need to be communicating with other instances constantly
Look at what nostr community is doing with zaps, I think it’s cool
Truly fair would be to have corporations pay.the users to allow them to show them advertisements.
A corporation will only pay users to watch ads if it is a way to get them to buy junk that they didn’t need or possibly even want. Otherwise the model breaks. Advertising is a scourge, to rely on it in any way does not feel “values-driven” to me.
PS: to be clear, maybe the ad model has merits on pragmatic grounds but, speaking personally, if I ever see an ad here, I am GONE and never coming back.
I agree it feels off, but it’s better than what we have now. Users could allow certain companies’ ads they feel comfortable viewing.
The additional benefit for companies would be that they would have a direct finger on the pulse of the market. If they make a decision and they see a lot of users abandon their ads, it was probably a bad decision.
The obvious downside is that people that can use the money will be under the influence of big corporations more.
I mean honestly, why not? If a server admin chargers a $1 per ad the user should get $0.50. Crude example but you get the idea.
Still learning about the fediverse, but… What about a simple percentage system so you can donate whatever you want. A large portion goes to the instance that you register with and smaller portions go to Lemmy programmers. Maybe portions can be set aside for parts of the fediverse that we all use like gif/video hosting. I’d say make the percentages the same across the fediverse so people know what goes where.
Personally I’d prefer monthly giving like patreon.
I’ve been wondering if there’s an opportunity for instance admins (e.g. lemmy.world) to offer managed instances for user domains.
It would be great if it was easier for the average person to own a domain and use it for email, matrix, Lemmy, etc.
Realistically no
You mean a bit like WordPress.com model?
Possibly, but I’m not very familiar with wordpress.
I imagined something like:
https://nextcloud.com/partners/
The idea is that I could pay someone to admin the same services that they provide to the public.
So like maybe lemmy.world and the other popular instances could offer a Lemmy instance, and maybe also offer: matrix, pixelfed, mastodon, etc etc.
There are decent options out there for mainstream services like email, web, etc. but maybe not for more niche services like lemmy.
It’s called Web Monetisation. It’s a standard that’s in development. In short, you, the user, can donate/pay money on any website that follows the standard. No patreon, no PayPal, no VISA, no yada yada.
Setup: You install an extension or use a compatible browser, create a wallet with a web payment provider, login / connect with the extension / browser.
Example operation: while browsing you happen upon a website (Lemmy.world for example) or web page (tilvids.com/u/thelinuxexperiment or one of the video pages), the “tip” button is made available, you hit it and 1£ is queued to be sent to the website or person on the webpage. At your leisure, you accept the transaction.
This can be implemented any number of ways e.g statistics are collected (locally) about which websites you visited with web monetisation active, at the end of the month, you are shown a breakdown of that activity. Say 10% peertube, 30% Lemmy, 40% mastodon, and a smattering of other softwares. You say “I want 10£ to be split across the different softwares with a minimum of 1£ per transaction”. Or anything else you can come up with.
That’s it. The website operator doesn’t need you to have PayPal, or patreon, or some special bank. You have a " wallet", you decide how the money is transfered and to whom, and you’re done.
Well depends if we’re talking for instance admins, developers or users/mods. Would probably need different models.
Sub.club wasn’t successful in offering a content monetization model on the fediverse
I think keep it donation based. Perhaps do a Lemmy gold where u can donate to boost a comment/post and said donation is split between content creator community instance etc.
