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cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com to United States | News & Politics@midwest.social · 1 year ago

Proposed bill to make it a crime to download DeepSeek in the US

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Proposed bill to make it a crime to download DeepSeek in the US

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cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com to United States | News & Politics@midwest.social · 1 year ago
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  • zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world
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    Well now I’m just gonna download it even harder.

    • SVcrossDO@lemmy.world
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      I will download and upload it everywhere I can, if this gains traction.

  • Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    They’re gonna have a hard time making it illegal to download a completely open source software lol

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      Do not tempt them to outlaw open source.

      • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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        Facebook already tipped their hand by prematurely banning posts about Linux.

      • TaiCrunch@sh.itjust.works
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        The most they could do is try to arbitrarily make the licenses null and void, but there’s no functional way to outlaw making code publicly available without also outlawing the entirety of HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.

    • Emotional (he/him)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Unfortunately, as I’ve learned recently, it doesn’t look like Deepseek is actually open source.

      You can download the model, but unless I’m misunderstanding, that feels comparable to calling Photoshop open source because you can download the .exe file on your computer.

      • andMoonsValue@lemmy.world
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        What’s this? https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3

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          This comment here seems to summarize it well: https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3/issues/457#issuecomment-2627016777

          It’s more open-sourced than I thought, but also seems debatable. I don’t know enough about LLMs to properly judge. I would probably stay away from calling it “completely open-sourced” though.

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            Fair, but they gave quite a bit when compared to other leaders in the space such as "open"ai. I’m exciting for this project I stumbled across - https://github.com/huggingface/open-r1. There are gaps in what deepseek provided but others are trying to fill them in.

            • Emotional (he/him)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              Of course! I think I’ve been particularly cynical about stuff being named open source because of OpenAI.

              I use LLMs through Perplexity and GitHub CoPilot all the time, but I’m still too spiteful and petty to use anything from "Open"AI. I’ve been very happy with R1 so far.

      • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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        You can reweight as you please to whatever dataset you like. They can say what the training data included, but they can’t share the dataset.

  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
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    Yes, that will definitely put the toothpaste back.

  • Chivera@lemmy.world
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    Is this the bill that will finally bring egg prices down?

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
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      No this one is just going to prop up nvidias value for a few more months.

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    These models are mostly giant tables of weights that run on standardized framework software, right?

    We’re talking about making illegal numbers again, aren’t we?

    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

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    I guess competition isn’t a thing in the us anymore. What a bunch of pussies.

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    I had zero interest in downloading this shit before because LLMs are just lying slop machines, but if it becomes illegal, I will go out of my way to.

    • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
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      I’m with you on principle, but the thing is also like 600 GB of data. Not sure I have the disk space to take a stand on this one.

      • trevor (he/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        No worries. I’ve got some 20TB drives i can throw these on 😁

        Now, running a model that large… Well, I’ll just have to stick with the 8-13b params.

      • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        There are no lite versions? I was trying to find a small LLM version I can run on an old machine and take it off the internet (or just firewall it) and play around with it to see if there is anything worth learning there for me. I was looking at the lite version of llama but when I tried to run the install on mint I ran into some issues and then had to many drinks to focus on it so I went back to something else. Maybe next weekend. If you have any recommendations I’m all ears

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          There are finetunes of Llama, Qwen, etc., based on DeepSeek that implement the same pre-response thinking logic, but they are ultimately still the smaller models with some tuning. If you want to run locally and don’t have tens of thousands to throw at datacenter-scale GPUs, those are your best option, but they differ from what you’d get in the Deepseek app.

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    Since I don’t see the Bill on the congress website for some reason, here is what the dimwit senator published on his own section:

    https://www.hawley.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Hawley-Decoupling-Americas-Artificial-Intelligence-Capabilities-from-China-Act.pdf

    • TaiCrunch@sh.itjust.works
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      Of course it’s Josh Hawley.

  • snekerpimp@lemmy.world
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    “The downloading of deep seek is causing the prices of eggs to rise, so stop the downloading and the prices will fall!”

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      • snekerpimp@lemmy.world
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        “Hey kids, I’m a computer!”

  • hmmm@sh.itjust.works
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    Umm What the actual fuck. Americans are doing.

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    Lol. Lmao. Let them try to enforce it.

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