I currently have two TVs, one I use an appleTV with and the other with a googleTV HD (device formerly known as Chromecast), but they both have issues.
The jellyfin app on appleTV is messed up, it fucks up audio and subs all the time, and in general has a hard time with media that has multiple audio tracks, not using the audio I select with the remote.
The googleTV just stutters with almost everything, direct stream or transcoded doesn’t matter. All of my library is just 1080p, I have proper wifi to it, all mobile devices stream just fine.
So neither of these provide me with a solution that really works.
What solutions can you recommend, that allows for seamless navigation of jellyfin with my remote? I don’t want anything resembling a mouse/keyboard combo for navigation whatsoever.
I don’t have specific troubleshooting advice to give, but I have been using an Nvidia Shield Pro as my main streaming device for about 4 years now. It is overpriced for what it is, but it has been rock solid for streaming via both Jellyfin and Plex.
The official Jellyfin app is definitely not as polished as Plex, but it has consistently worked for me on the Shield.
Since you are against using plex even with using it only locally I would suggest you look into the Jellyfin clients support. Specifically look at each client device documentation and take a look at what audio and video codex they natively support. If there is one they both support then I suggest you do some testing and stream a movie or show that is encoded with that specific format. This will let you know if it will work across both clients whether it’s a stream issue hardware issue or Wi-Fi issue.
This will prevent transcoding that can cause audio sync issues.
Edit - if that works then I suggest you convert you library to that format.
I don’t have audio sync issues at all. I have issues with appleTV using the wrong audio track when I select something different than the default. E.g. if I select Danish, it shows that it’s using the Danish track but it’s actually playing something else like Finnish or Swedish. This behaviour is only on the appleTV and no other devices.
Ahh, well I have found the Jellyfin clients to be less than perfect on appleTV. You may want to try another endpoint client if you don’t want to try another server side software.
Unless you have a commitment to only using open source software, I’d recommend Plex over Jellyfin. Mostly because I’ve found the client software for Jellyfin to be lacking, especially on AppleTV.
For the issues with the GoogleTV, you mention that it’s on WiFi, would it be possible to use a wired connection or get another set top box for it? Some TVs have the WiFi antenna behind the screen causing interference, so even though other devices get a strong signal the TV doesn’t.
Also, how’s the hardware on your server? Is the CPU powerful enough or do you have a GPU for transcoding? Also, is the server on WiFi or wired?
It’s worth noting that a lot of settop boxes have limited codec support, which might be forcing transcoding even if everything should otherwise support direct play.
Just FYI, Infuse is a great jellyfin client for AppleTV
The googleTV dongle doesn’t have any ports apart from usb-C for power and the attached HDMI cable. It’s what was once called a chromecast.
You can use a USB hub dongle which passes through power via USB C with a Google TV (4K) device. That’s what I do for mine to connect it to the rest of my GbE VLAN via wired ethernet connection and avoid Wi-Fi packet drops when streaming or casting 4K HDR content. A dongle is also handy to connect any USB web cam so I can use the TV for large family video calls with the grandparents in the living room, via Android apps like Google Meet or Zoom.
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Ah, it’s one of those. I was thinking it was the TV’s OS.
I don’t have a lot of experience with those smaller dongles, but as I understand it they’re fairly low power devices that are more meant for streaming relatively low bitrate media from the internet or from a phone. It may not have the horsepower for playing back high bitrate media from Jellyfin or Plex.
Others may have a solution that’ll work for that device, but my gut response is to say you should consider replacing it with something more powerful.
Have you tried non official jellyfin clients? I had issues with the official app on AppleTV as well, so I switched to Infuse. The free app supports most things and I think the paid gives access to additional codecs if I recall correctly. The pro upgrade isn’t too expensive and the app is sleek across Apple devices. Only issue I’ve really had is sometimes if a video is not played to the end (as in, stopped during credits) it still shows up in the continue watching, but that might be a problem on my end.
I think MXPlayer is similar on Android which might be worth checking out.
Nah, I think that’s an issue with the jellyfin server. It happens to me too, using Swiftfin on AppleTV.
I think that’s an issue with the jellyfin server
It’s just weird that audio tracks works correctly on all other devices, this is only happening on the appleTV.
…I meant the keep watching thing. I get that a lot if I skip to the next episode right at the outro of a show.
Aah, this is an issue consistently on both movies and shows, also when starting. If i select anything other than the default track, it doesn’t actually select what I pick but something else (like it picks Finnish even though I select Danish, and it shows I select Danish). Again, this only happens on the AppleTV, all.other devices switch correctly.
I stream from Jellyfin to an Apple TV without your issues. It might be a network or configuration problem.
Have you tried Infuse, SenPlayer or other clients?
It might be a network or configuration problem.
I’m not sure how a network issue would cause the jellyfin client to select the wrong audio track? E.g. when I select Danish, it sometimes uses the Finnish or Swedish track. This only happens on the appleTV, all other devices use the selected track correctly.
I have not tried other clients, none show up when I search for jellyfin in the app store on the device, so I wasn’t aware there were others for appleTV.
As suggested above, I would try Infuse player. I recently switched from a Kodi/Jellyfin setup to an Apple TV/Jellyfin setup and I’m extremely happy with it. Infuse has a free trial, and then you can choose to pay a few different ways (they do have a rather expensive lifetime option, but it might be worth it). The Infuse app has no trouble playing directly from my Jellyfin server, no transcoding, even for full 4K Bluray rips, and yes it even supports Dolby Vision (which the native Jellyfin app struggles with). No hiccups, no issues with multiple audio tracks or subtitles, it’s just buttery smooth direct playback.
It also has a couple different ways of interacting with your Jellyfin library, so it feels completely seamless to me.
I’d rather avoid paid solutions, especially anything subscription based.
Totally understandable. I was hesitant about it too, but to me it’s sometimes worth a premium to get something that just works, and Infuse works better than any player I’ve used in the past. To each their own, good luck!
Plex, unfortunately, is the best answer for this right now. Easiest to set up and maintain, the client apps are fine, you may have to fiddle with the Apple TV to be pain free though.
I have a few raspberry pi’s with kodi running and linked to my media served over nfs, which works well, just not as polished and fast as plex.
Personally, as soon as the Apple TV client gets fixed for Jellyfin, will probably drop plex altogether. The iOS app is stellar so not sure why it hasn’t been ported yet. I also have an easier time with my media playback with Jellyfin over plex, and you don’t need to pay for good hardware transcoding, it’s just the ui is so god awful!
I’m not touching Plex ever, so I’ll have to find another solution, or demote the appleTV to the bedroom because my wife and I watch most things in English anyway so we don’t change the audio track like the kids do.
I have to use an AppleTV for various reasons, so I settled on a simple SMB share on an old mac mini server and the (subscription) Infuse app, it’s been rock solid as a player on all devices and very low effort.
an old laptop/desktop (like 6th-gen Intel or newer) that boots directly into jellyfin-media-player in TV fullscreen mode. it supports any remote that can emmit up-down-left-right, enter, esc (like, via InputRemapper). disable transcoding on the server and play anything you want via direct stream.
Was looking for something a bit more elegant…An old laptop is going to look like shit
stove them out of sight? well, you can go for a mini-PC if price isn’t an issue. but these things can be had for ultra-cheap, especially if you have one laying around or get one with a busted screen or sumsuch. an android box is a hit or miss, maybe it’s good, maybe it’s crap, maybe it’s loaded with malware… the middle ground would be a Raspberry Pi, there are unofficial LineageOS Android TV builds.
stove them out of sight?
We have a fairly minimalistic setup around the TV, there’s nowhere to hide it which is why we originally went with an appleTV because it looks pretty decent.
Raspberry Pi with a cute case then, and/or glued/velcroed to the back of the TV. they also support HDMI-CEC so your TV’s remote can work.
Do you know of a solution won’t boots directly to jellyfin and can ONLY be used with that?
like a commercially available one? negative, you have to tinker and make it such.
if you have linux on the player (like with said PC or Raspberry) you have full control and can set it up to boot directly into jellyfin-media-player in fullscreen TV mode (that’s the one where remotes work).
Yeah I really prefer as close to plug-and-play as possible, I don’t want to spend hours tinkering to get something that basic working.
I’ll take a look and see if it’s low effort enough.
You can also just install the libreelec os (Kodi), and install the Jellyfin Kodi addon. Haven’t tried that addon. I used to use Kodi when I had only one TV, and liked it. Now that I have 2 Android TVs, just installing Jellyfin on the TVs works fine. I might go back to rPIs and disconnect my TVs from the internet though.
I am using the “Chromecast with Google TV” connected to wifi via 5ghz and use mkv files from collection via Jellyfin. I used to transcode from the i7-8700u but larger files took too long to start playing (with quicksync and proper drivers and passthrough) and tried turning off transcode and surprising works fine without issues. Ive tried 15gb files without issues.
So i would suggest checking your set up to make sure not something configured wrong and if you use mkv files try turning off all transcode to see if it works better.
I know people knock it, but Plex has worked without issue for me for years. They have apps dedicated to every type of media for easy browsing. It’s so simple my mom can use it without help.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
The jellyfin problem is probably it downmixing surround 7.1 really shittily. You can run tdarr to downmix surround into stereo before you watch. Kind of a pain but it’s the only workaroumd I’ve got for the shit audio
I’m not getting sync issues at all, the jellyfin client on appleTV simply doesn’t select the audio track I select when I choose something different than default. It works perfectly fine on all other devices, just not appleTV. I only have stereo devices.
What did I write in my OP to suggest audio sync issues? You’re not the first to think that’s my issue, so I must have worded something poorly…
I think there’s miscommunication. I don’t mean you’re audio is out of sync, I mean that the file being played has 7.1 as the audio track, then when jellyfin downmixes it to stereo for you speakers it sounds like absolute ass.
The “doesn’t select the right audio track” is another issue that I personally don’t have, but the downmixing one is something that seems to be baked into Jellyfin for TV.
Aah, the audio quality if fine for me, I don’t have exceptionally bad audio quality.
I use Emby. It’s similar to Jellyfin, but the Apps get a little more attention to detail. Worth a try, and if you don’t need gpu transcoding you don’t need to pay.
But, if I was still using an Apple TV, I would use Infuse.
I’ve used a bunch of different solutions over the years, but currently I just run Gerbera and it streams my local library to my TVs because of the sheer ease. It’s not perfect, fast forward and rewind can be iffy to get working with some configurations, but otherwise it has been a smooth experience.
It has to be user friendly enough for a literal 5yo though
Does it need to use the remote? I have a Chromecast (the casting device, not the app running device) and I use the Jellyfin app on my phone and I cast to the Chromecast. Works fine for me.
Doesn’t need to be the remote, but it does need to work independently of other devices than what’s connected to the TV. Having to cast from a device doesn’t really work with how we use TV watching in our house, especially for the kids since they don’t have their own phones or tablets to do it from.
You may want check out Infuse for the AppleTV. I have found it fixed every audio drift and video jitter concern that I’ve ever had with Plex or Jellyfin.
You can point it either directly at an SMB share, or a library hosted on Jellyfin or Plex. The advantage of this is it caches the artwork in the library, not on the AppleTV, because the AppleTV will periodically flush its local cache, leading to long re-fetching times and waiting to watch things.
I have no recommendations for the Chromecast.
