I watched TNG from beginning to end and throughout it tried to see anything to be critical of about Wesley and couldn’t find anything. What’s the big deal?

  • snooggums
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    145 months ago

    He came across as the Scrappy Doo of Star Trek. Small and annoying.

  • @pjwestin@lemmy.world
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    134 months ago

    He’s a Mary Sue. I know that term gets misused by misogynists for, “female character I don’t like,” but it was originally a term for Trekkies’ self-insert fan-fic characters, and Wesley fits the trope perfectly: the youngest, smartest person to graduate Starfleet Academy/serve on a Starship, with unusual skills or special talents, who the ingratiates himself with the main cast, and finds himself at the center of major events despite his young age and low rank.

  • southsamurai
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    284 months ago

    Well, at the time the main complaint people had was more about him being shoehorned into things in a way that didn’t make sense combined with him being “superkid”.

    But yeah, I always thought the character was more of a positive than a negative, even when he was badly written. If nothing else, it gave younger viewers/fans a bit of a viewpoint character that was pretty rare in sci-fi that wasn’t kid oriented to begin with.

    Plus, Wheaton did damn fine job considering the scripts were sometimes not really good dialogue for him. Stilted, a bit too “I’m an adult trying to write a teenager, but can’t actually remember what it was like”; and often not really about his character as much as they needed someone to do the things he was doing, and Wesley’s turn came up. Hell, if you factor in the shit the guy was going through at home, he was amazing.

    • @logos@sh.itjust.works
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      134 months ago

      The whole show, including his character, dramatically improved as it went on. Wesley was awesome in that later episode with pre-Tom Paris.

      • southsamurai
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        74 months ago

        Oh yeah, he went into it on his blog, and in more detail in an autobiography rerelease back in 2022. Plus a good bit of it in interviews after that.

        Physical and mental abuse from his parents is the short version. Which is the root of his PTSD and related issues.

        • Damn. That sucks. I’m glad he’s got himself together, even if it is a lot of work some days. He’s always come across as a genuine and good dude.

  • @Smoogs@lemmy.world
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    114 months ago

    Because it awakens the bullies who don’t like smart kids. During that era it was common to pick on ‘the nerdy kid’ and it was considered the right of passage to be ‘cool’. Wesley embodies the type of victim a bully goes for.

    The hate you refer to is more the issue with the bully rather than their targets. Wil Wheaton did a great speech about bullying.

    https://youtu.be/04WJEEb33CY?feature=shared

    • @chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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      44 months ago

      Wesley Crusher was a wish fulfillment character for Gene Wesley Roddenberry (yes, that’s his real middle name). We don’t have a problem with smart kids, they just gotta stay in their lane: focus on school and hobbies, having fun, and chipping in the occasional good idea. When the “smart kid” gets written to be the ship’s last hope and miraculous saviour (on more than one occasion) it turns the show into a farce.

      • @Smoogs@lemmy.world
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        14 months ago

        We don’t have a problem with smart kids

        Who’s this ‘we’ you speak of?

        You sound like an adult baby with a bruised ego. Bullying kids who you perceive smarter than you especially as an adult is just a shitty look no matter how you’re trying to cut it here.

        • @chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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          44 months ago

          “We” being the Trek fans who are not Wesley fans. He was written very poorly and it reflected badly on the show. I don’t have a problem with Wil Wheaton’s acting and Stand By Me was one of my favourite movies as a kid.

          The only bully here is you.

          • @Smoogs@lemmy.world
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            4 months ago

            You invited yourself here over hurt feelings of the mere threat of someone not joining your little toxic bandwagon to hate on a kid. You’re not a victim here, snowflake.

  • @Donebrach@lemmy.world
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    24 months ago

    There is nothing wrong with the character—it’s just generational hatred of the idea that there could be new star trek content and latching on to weird shit to complain about. Lots of “fans” complained about TNG when it first started airing.

    He honestly has a pretty interesting character arc for the era and show he was a part of— being a young princeling, fucking up in school and ultimately realizing that he needed to go his own way and become a The Traveller (over the course of 7 seasons of episodic story telling admittedly so it’s a little woobly).