cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/15011909
Feedback welcome! Here’s the TL;DR list
- Listen more to more Black people
- Post less – and think before you post
- Call in, call out, and/or report anti-Blackness when you see it
- Support Black people and Black-led instances and projects
Other suggestions?
Posting less is how you kill the whole idea of the fediverse
Im also wondering how the fediverse is toxic for black people.
From the article
Dr. Johnathan Flowers’ The Whiteness of Mastodon, Ra’il I’Nasah Kiam and Marcia X’s Blackness in the Fediverse, and the links in Dogpiling, weaponized content warning discourse, and a fig leaf for mundane white supremacy have some of the history.
Since this is just a draft, you should change #2 to just “think before you post”.
It can make sense in certain circumstances, like in BLM rallies telling white people that it wasn’t our stage to speak makes sense, but telling people of a certain skin colour to “post less” in general is racist as fuck.
Are black people all going to have labels so we know who to support and listen to? I think this is pretty weird tbh.
1, 3, and 4 are all solid suggestions. But ‘post less’? The Fediverse is sparse enough as it is.
Guys! I created a system of guidelines where black people and white people follow two different sets of rules! I’m helping!
Edit: Remember folx before you post: when was the last time you 🫵 listened to To Pimp a Butterfly?
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LMAO this is a joke right?
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It makes sense that the bias in English speaking societies would be reflected on English speaking platforms. The posts here reflect the white western perspective. I would love to see more diversity as it does seem culturally “flat” here.
I don’t really understand why this is getting so massively downvoted.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me as a white person. Yes, point two could be more nuanced, but otherwise aren’t all these downvotes kind of illustrating the point the OP is making here?
Point 2 is exactly why it is being down-voted. A post about how the Fediverse is toxic to one race/skin colour shouldn’t be telling people of a different race/skin colour to “post less”.
Discrimination based on race isn’t welcome, no matter who it’s against.
Point 2 is better explained in the article. I don’t take this as discrimination, more that while I will always aim to empathise and understand as much as I can about the black experience and be an ally, it’s something I will never have direct experience of, so maybe there are some conversations that I don’t need to muscle in on.
Probably the appeal to white guilt and call to action to specifically white people when the vast majority of people on the fediverse are not racist or “anti-black”
Maybe not the majority, but clearly it’s common enough to warrant mentioning for the people affected by it.
I think examples might serve people better in this regard. It can be hard to accept things as real that you’ve never experienced, and don’t fit with your lifetime of experiences, purely on faith alone.
Edit: I realize this is the exact opposite of “just accept other people have different experiences”, but it’s hard to deny that this is something a lot of people have trouble with in a lot of aspects of life. Expecting people to just override the natural state of viewing the world through their own personal lens is always going to be a hard ask.
People asking for examples are not always trying to find ways to tear other experiences apart. Sometimes they might need examples to help them understand better.
Indeed. Funny how that works! Glad you thought it was reasonable, and agreed that point 2 needs work.
Yeah haha, I think point 2 is well explained in the article, maybe it’s too generalised here.
Still good general advice for posting in my opinion, better to think in general.
I actually thought point two was the best point. Listening to the concerns is probably the best thing you could do, if you don’t think they apply to you, moving on about your day is the next best thing. Asking for proof of “anti blackness” is problem the worst thing to do.
Thanks! It’s an important point but I’m not surprised it’s meeting with such pushback here. And, to be fair, as somebody pointed out in another thread, the current title of the section doesn’t match the current text, which focuses more narrowly on posting less specifically about anti-Blackness … so there’s room for improvement. But, my guess is that’s not why most people are downvoting it 🤣
Why would I “Post less,” and expect that to help black people?! What?!
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