I see so many posts and people who run NGINX as their reverse proxy. Why though? There’s HAProxy and Apache, with Caddy being a simpler option.

If you’re starting from scratch, why did you pick/are you picking NGINX over the others?

  • wjs018@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Some good answers in here already. It boils down to a couple points for me:

    • Back when I started selfhosting, it was either nginx or apache, and I found nginx better and easier to set up
    • All the nginx knowledge I learned years ago still works just the same as it did back then, so why potentially mess things up by switching if it all still works
    • Basically every project has an example nginx config for reference, that can’t be said about other proxies
    • It is easier to find support online for edge cases that might pop up with nginx due to the ubiquity of its use and years of history
  • Taasz/Woof@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 years ago

    It just works and it’s in every distros default repo, it’s pretty easy to set up and can be a webserver for static files, PHP sites, etc… It can be a reverse proxy for HTTP(s) traffic or just forward TCP/UDP.

    There’s also endless documentation out there for how to do something in nginx.

    HAProxy is a nightmare to use in my experience. It just feels so clunky and old.

    Caddy is nice, but downloading and updating it is a pain because you need modules that aren’t included in the repo version.

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      2 years ago

      Right there with you on “just works,” as well as the simple fact that the config snippets you need are readily available - either in the repo of whatever you’re putting behind the proxy, or elsewhere on the internet.

      I consistently keep in mind that it’s ultimately an RU product, of course. But since it’s open source and changes relatively infrequently, that’s mitigated to a large degree from where I sit.

      Nothing against Caddy, though Apache gets heavy quickly from a maintenance standpoint, IMHO. But nginx has been my go to for many, many years per the above. It drops into oddball environments without having to rip and tear existing systems out by the roots, and it doesn’t care what’s behind it.

      Ages ago, I had a Tomcat app that happened to be supported indirectly by an embedded Jetty (?) app that didn’t properly support SSL certs in a sane way on its own.

      That was just fine to nginx and certbot, the little-but-important Jetty app just lived off to the side and functionally didn’t matter because with nginx and certbot, nothing else gave a crap - including the browser clients and the arcane build system that depended on that random Jetty app.

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    2 years ago

    Because Nginx Proxy Manager exists.

    And also because for me it started from web hosting where Apache and Nginx dominate and later because of many easy to understand example configs from the net including many “docker letsencrypt” examples.

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    When NGINX showed up it beat the then dominant apache on resource utilzation hands-down.

    It’s also very configurable and has a lot of modules, both in-house and third party.

    The only downside for me: as of late the whole commercial part of the project has been gobbling up everything to shove the non-free version to the point where it’s hard to find info on the free version, e.g., the wiki page that lists all the third-party modules. The nginxtutorials site seems to be a good resource.

    Btw one of the main devs forked it into freenginx:

    Dounin writes in his announcement that “new non-technical management” at F5 “recently decided that they know better how to run open source projects. In particular, they decided to interfere with security policy nginx uses for years, ignoring both the policy and developers’ position.” While it was “quite understandable,” given their ownership, Dounin wrote that it means he was “no longer able to control which changes are made in nginx,” hence his departure and fork.

    Also, fun fact: this is probably the only instance of russian software muricans don’t cry Commie! all the time (maybe because the parent company was acquired).

  • liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 years ago

    Good question. I chose it initially because it was open source and way easier (in my eyes) than Apache. I don’t recall the others being an option at the time, or I was not aware of them. nginx does what I need without complaint, so I haven’t switched.

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      2 years ago

      At $dayjob I switched from Apache to nginx 15+ years ago. It’s Callback/Event based process model ran circles around Apache’s pre-fork model at the time. It was very carefully developed to be secure, and even early on it had a good track record. Being able to have nginx handle static content without tying up a backend worker process was huge, and let us scale our app pretty well for the investment of time. Since then, Apache implemented threaded + Event based process models, Caddy, traefik, and a bunch of others have entered the scene.

      TBH, I think the big thing nowadays is sane defaults, and better configuration, even automatically discovered configuration – traefik is my current favorite for discovering hosts in consul/Kubernetes/simple host definition files, but since traefik can’t directly serve files, I simply proxy from traefik to … nginx :)

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      Apache still is a pain in the ass. The only guide I found useful were from 20 years ago or so. All “modern” ones I found didn’t explain stuff, but were more like “copy paste this, now you’re done”. They never fit my usecase.

      I honestly don’t know why people new to webhosting even bother with Apache when NGINX is around. It’s just so much easier.

      Anti Commercial-AI license

    • N0x0n@lemmy.ml
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      2 years ago

      Traefik gang here 👊 !

      But only because it works so easily with docker !! I remember a time where I though that you need a diploma and read/learn/understand a 10000 page dictionary to make nginx work properly.

      Also hated the syntax of nginx… It can look so ugly and gibberish :/.

      But I do believe Nginx is superior and more mature in many more aspects than Treafik. Still, Traefik is a breeze and is in IMO way easier to configure with docker than Nginx.

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        2 years ago

        Yeah it’s Traefik for me as well! Heavy docker user, of course - it’s nice just tossing some labels into my Portainer stacks and letting Traefik figure it out. If I wasn’t so invested with containers I’d be using nginx.

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      2 years ago

      I used to use traefik back when it was new and less complex and the 2.0 complexity forced my hand to drop it for my homelab.

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    2 years ago

    Counter question: Why does everyone call it “engine X” and not “enjinx”, which would be the way cooler pronunciation?

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    2 years ago

    Why not? Why should I use Apache instead of Nginx? I don’t know about Caddy, Nginx is simple enough not to care about simpler solutions. But in general, I know Nginx and it does the job.

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    Nginx scales better than Apache does for static content and proxying, so it started to take over market share.

    A home gamer handling a handful of users is unlikely to ever notice a difference.

    But the configuration for nginx is simpler nout of the box for most things which is probably the real reason people use it at home.

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    2 years ago

    Caddy’s developer gives me the ick. He’s way too pompous in PRs on GH. nginx is just a constant – it does exactly what you need to and does it well.

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        2 years ago

        Yep it would need to be compiled from the configuration given. I’m vaguely interested in trying. I will look up the rust builders. Thank you

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    TLDR: probably a lot of people continue using the thing that they know if it just works as long as it works well enough not to be a bother.

    Many many years ago when I learned, I think the only ones I found were Apache and IIS. I had a Mac at the time which came pre installed with Apache2, so I learned Apache2 and got okay at it. While by release dates Nginx and HAProxy most definitely existed, I don’t think I came across either in my research. I don’t have any notes from the time because I didn’t take any because I was in high school.

    When I started Linux things, I kept using Apache for a while because I knew it. Found Nginx, learned it in a snap because the config is more natural language and hierarchical than Apache’s XMLish monstrosity. Then for the next decade I kept using Nginx whenever I needed a webserver fast because I knew it would work with minimal tinkering.

    Now, as of a few years ago, I knew that haproxy, caddy, and traefik all existed. I even tried out Caddy on my homelab reverse proxy server (which has about a dozen applications routed through it), and the first few sites were easy - just let the auto-LetsEncrypt do its job - but once I got to the sites that needed manual TLS (I have both an internal CA and utilize Cloudflare’ origin HTTPS cert), and other special config, Caddy started becoming as cumbersome as my Nginx conf.d directory. At the time, I also didn’t have a way to get software updates easily on my then-CentOS 7 server, so Caddy was okay-enough, but it was back to Nginx with me because it was comparatively easier to manage.

    HAProxy is something I’ve added to my repertoire more recently. It took me quite a while and lots of trial and error to figure out the config syntax which is quite different from anything I’d used before (except maybe kinda like Squid, which I had learned not a year prior…), but once it clicked, it clicked. Now I have an internal high availability (+keepalived) load balancer than can handle so many backend servers and do wildcard TLS termination and validate backend TLS certs. I even got LDAP and LDAPS load balancing to AD working on that for services like Gitea that don’t behave well when there’s more than one LDAPS backend server.

    So, at some point I’ll get around to converting that everything reverse proxy to HAProxy. But I’ll probably need to deploy another VM or two because the existing one also has a static web server and I’ve been meaning to break up that server’s roles anyways (long ago, it was my everything server before I used VMs).

  • Eager Eagle@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Nginx handles more connections than Apache, given the same resources. HAProxy does not have web server functionality like the former two, so Nginx is the natural upgrade from Apache. Caddy is relatively new, I’m not sure how it compares other than being easier to set up.

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    2 years ago

    There’s a lot of good resources for Nginx, it’s fast (faster than Caddy), and has a ton of features, so you can use it for pretty much anything HAProxy, Apache, or Caddy can do, and not sacrifice much in performance.

    That said, I mostly use HAProxy and Caddy. Here’s my basic setup:

    1. HAProxy at the edge VPS - routes requests to machines based on SNI
    2. WireGuard VPN - connects my internal devices to my VPS
    3. Caddy in Docker - runs on internal network on my NAS/homelab - manages LetsEncrypt renewals and reverse proxies to internal Docker network
    4. Nginx in Docker - FE for NextCloud; this simplifies things so all my TLS is handled in one place, and Caddy doesn’t need to touch files

    I use a local DNS server on my router so my domains can route directly to Caddy instead of going over the internet when on my network, otherwise I may just have HAProxy handle LetsEncrypt certificates.

    From what I can tell, Nginx is a little more efficient than Caddy, but Caddy is plenty fast for my needs. I’m considering switching from NextCloud to the new ownCloud Infinite Scale, and if I do, I’d ditch nginx completely.