I was wondering how the pre-reddit lemmy members feel about the influx of ex-reddit. Have things got worst or better? Is there any lemmy etiquette that we are missing?

  • @lemmy.mlEnglish
    152·
    3 years ago

    Generally positive, with caveats. Lemmy’s early adopters were driven by an understanding that Reddit was not a viable platform for self organization, free discussion and association. We knew this day would eventually come.

    The current wave of bans and hostile takeovers occurring on Reddit is nothing new for the radicals. We watched them suppress the Blue Leaks, we watched them shut down r/CTH in the middle of the George Floyd uprising, we watched them coup r/PresidentialRaceMemes, we watched them purge r/GenZhou, a community focused specifically on revolutionary theory.

    Reddit has demonstrated time and time again that it is happy to serve as an instrument of counterinsurgency. This comes as no surprise, with an Atlantic Council alum heading their content moderation policy.

    As one of the most astroturfed social media platforms on the Internet, Redditors bring a lot of those problems here. They tend to behave like they are the smartest people in the room, just because there are a lot of them. They like calling other websites echo chambers, when they hail from the biggest echo chamber on the English speaking net. The conspiracies I’ve seen them spread about the Lemmy devs and contributors have been absolutely wild.

    I think time will heal most of them.

    • rainfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
      146·
      3 years ago

      Conspiracy? One of the devs has a website where he literally openly denies the Uyghur genocide, Tiananmen square massacre, “Mao did nothing wrong”, “Ukrainians are Nazis”, denies every single critique of USSR and China, and a whole lot of other vile shit. Read for yourself: https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/socialism_faq.md#did-mao-kill-millions-of-people

      This is the real test of the fediverse. Can software written by a piece of shit like that exist without being influenced by their garbage political views?

      I think it’s possible and I like Lemmy to thrive but it’s important to keep an eye out for tankies and to not close your eyes to the reality of who started this.

      • Dempf@lemmy.worldEnglish
        05·
        3 years ago

        I wish someone could explain to me how this wumao BS has gained any traction at all.

        • @lemmy.mlEnglish
          21·
          3 years ago

          wumao

          My point exactly. Nobody can possibly disagree with US State Department line unless they are getting paid. Typical Reddit conspiracy thinking.

    • Phil@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      11·
      3 years ago

      I have seen the conspiracies posts as well but assumed they were just reddit shill accounts spreading disinformation, no one I know has taken them seriously. It is interesting to see this point of view, especially the “this day would come” bit, for me I sort of knew something was wrong , but it is like your local pub slowly being taken over, you do not want it to be true so you ignore stuff you should not.

        • Phil@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          Those do not appear to be written by him, but will do some more digging. However open exchange of views is wise in my opinion even if they are those I personally do not agree with. Edit Rightly ho, although I clearly have not read all the material on display (openly public btw) it is obviously the repository of someone who is willing to explore the far left politically , but the essays that might be by him(some are not accredited) are not on the subjects you mentioned, those are accredited to others. Now this dev might or might not agree with this stuff, they might be a politics student I can not say but I doubt anyone has asked. I am not sure it is particularly relevant in this thread anyway.

            • Phil@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
              1·
              3 years ago

              I have read the responces , and I applaud the general tone of both sides of the discussion. I have to just say that without view exchange , and expressly with view suppression , those who feel suppressed become even more intrenched. I for one learned from the debate.

  • hexachrome@lemmy.mlEnglish
    11·
    3 years ago

    can’t really be worse than before given that there was barely content being posted to begin with. have been pleasantly surprised to see very little “le narwhal bacons when?” shit so far, but that’s me being a grouch and doesn’t really constitute etiquette

    • Ech@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      3 years ago

      have been pleasantly surprised to see very little “le narwhal bacons when?” shit so far

      You’ve been away from there for a while huh? That’s ancient Reddit stuff at this point.

      • euston@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        3 years ago

        I think half of reddit has no idea what the narwhal bacon thing means anymore. Maybe more than that since the exodus.

      • hexachrome@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        3 years ago

        yeah, i’ll admit that’s a weak example lol

        i suppose i’m burned out from doomscrolling threads flooded with those kind of call/response in-jokes (another user down the thread linked some more relevant examples), very glad it’s less egregious here atm

  • monobot@lemmy.mlEnglish
    111·
    3 years ago

    I, personally, would prefer slower linear and more organic growth. I want people to be here because the want to come, not because they want to run away from somewhere else.

    But I do acknowledge that there was not much discussion going on and was not enough content for my procrastinating habits, nor I could keep myself informed in current events.

    Thou I have had lemmy.ml account for three years now I never heard of beehaw before this reddit wave started, so that might be on me.

    While I am positive overall, I do not like that some bad habits from reddit are resurfacing here, mostly not being able to have different opinion without someone insulting you.

    I hope there will be enough instances where discussion and difference in opinion will be nurtured and welcome.

    • mourkeer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      3 years ago

      I have a pet peeve around people saying “this.” When they agree with someone. Idk why… I was hoping I wouldn’t see that here but unfortunately it’s cropping up.

      My concern is that and a bunch of other reddit-isms flood the site. I don’t mind redditors coming here but I hope the site can still have its own identity.

      There are a few others:

      • “at least the <inanimate object> is ok” on videos where someone gets hurt
      • “no shoes therefore dead”
      • “some ninja is cutting onions”
      • “sir this is a Wendy’s”
      • Etc.

      I mean this reddit post complaining about annoying phrases came out 9 years ago. 9 YEARS. And since then I continue to see so many of those and others.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1i5cd2/_/

      I don’t want to gatekeep either. But certain phrases repeated over and over is just so irritating.

    • MHcharLEE@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 years ago

      While I am positive overall, I do not like that some bad habits from reddit are resurfacing here, mostly not being able to have different opinion without someone insulting you.

      This is humans were talking about. Humans on the internet. This is inevitable and I wouldn’t specifically attribute this to former reddit users. You have this on Twitter, you have this on Instagram. The “my opinion is the only correct opinion” sentiment is prevalent everywhere today. Sadly.

      • minorninth@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        3 years ago

        Also: this is community-specific.

        Many subreddits were fantastic about not tolerating insults or disrespect.

        I expect the same here - some Fediverse communities will be a free-for-all with insults, some will be a welcoming place for people to disagree without getting insulted.

        It’s not anyone’s goal to impose one set of rules of decorum for the entire Fediverse.

    • coldv@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I did run away from Reddit but I also want to be here because I have been a firm believer in the Fediverse. It is bringing net neutrality back. I’m here to stay!

    • Phil@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I guess that is well worth keeping in mind , coming from the cesspool that is reddit everything seems so polite here by comparison.

  • ShoePaste@lemmy.mlEnglish
    9·
    3 years ago

    it’s fine. it’s nice there’s more content here. although i hadn’t been here too long before the influx. i’m just getting a little tired of all the “should we make bots to copy reddit” “what communites should we make” “hey lets not do all the in joke stuff they do on reddit”. i’ve seen about a dozen variations of each of those posts so it’s a little old.

  • Troll@lemmy.mlEnglish
    9·
    3 years ago

    I’ve been here since the beginning of 2020, a few weeks ago I was regretting that this project wasn’t very popular so now I’m delighted to see this craze for Lemmy/Kbin and federated tools in general. I hope it will continue, welcome to all _/ Power to the people.

  • simple@lemmy.worldEnglish
    82·
    3 years ago

    Definitely better. I tried getting into Lemmy about a year ago and it was kind of a miserable place. Most communities were abandoned and the website was less usable than now, the only active group were tankies (specifically CCP lovers). There just wasn’t any demand for a Reddit alternative. I abandoned Lemmy and went back to Reddit not long after.

    Now the website feels sooooo much livelier and is a much nicer place. The community isn’t huge but it feels like the content I need to find is here, and as people settle in specific communities activity is going up! Once Lemmy fixes their bugs and Kbin fixes their federation I’m confident I won’t want to go back to other websites.

    • mcpheeandme@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Thanks for sharing your experience. It’s good to hear there wasn’t a lot going on because, honestly, coming here from Reddit feels a bit like participating in some sort of digital gentrification.

    • Phil@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      That is promising , I was hoping we are not polluting the pool , so to speak

        • Pili@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          3 years ago

          Imagine moving to a place that’s home to a lot of people you don’t like, and calling them dirty.

          • Monkeyhog@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 years ago

            You mean, imagine all of human history since the earliest hominid first stood upright and saw another group across the savanna?

  • nom_nom@lemmy.mlEnglish
    5·
    3 years ago

    Its crazy seeing how much engagement there is on posts, I really like lemmy, even before the reddit influx, so far so good.