Now that we’re no longer linked to lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works we can’t subscribe to their communities any more.
How affected were your subscriptions? How many of your subs stopped working?
My subs were mostly beehaw and lemmy.world so I’m looking for new stuff. :)
Do you have some tips for interesteing communities on other instances?
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I don’t think I subbed to anything on those two instances, so I’m not affected at all. I only recently switched to subscribed on the front page too as default so if I missed anything from them, I haven’t noticed. Beehaw have grown large and active enough to make up most of my front page at this point.
I think out of all the federated subs I have, the active an interesting ones to me are coming out of programming.dev. I also sub to a few fediverse related ones, one of which actually posted about Beehaw’s decision to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.work. There were some takes that miss the point. There were also those who defended Beehaw’s decision too. It was interesting to see the interactions unfold.
Can you tell me how you switched your default to “Subscribed”? I can’t find the option.
Sure!
Go into your Settings, then scroll down until you see this section:
I’ve highlighted the option that you need to change to see your Subscribed communities’ posts
Hope that helps!
Don’t know why I couldn’t see it before lol. Thank you!
Honestly, it’s understandable. Personally, I find it poorly labelled and it’s wedged in between other options of nearly the same size.
I went over to kbin (I already had an account there) and replicated my subscription list as best I could. Splitting my time between here and there. I wish I didn’t have to have two separate accounts, though! I didn’t want to be fragmented.
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Same here. Example: I have a question I want to post on AskLemmy. I started to post it from Beehaw, and realized that I’d be cutting off responses from a huge swath of the Fediverse if I did. So I’ll be posting it from kbin, instead.
I must have missed a memo. Why did beehaw defederate with
lemmy.world/sh.itjust.works?I really want to like Lemmy, but if we can randomly lose access to content like that, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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Details. Basically, there are four people running Beehaw and trying to moderate. Beehaw is not a Reddit replacement, nor is it a troll/free speech friendly place, by design. The intent is for Beehaw to be an open, but curated, instance. That’s why there is a sign up process.
Those two instances are both large and open sign up enabled, Lemmy today has extremely weak moderation tools compared to Reddit, there’s been a massive influx of traffic and Reddit users, and those two Instances are the place where many trolls are landing.
It’s temporary, but today the tools and infrastructure are not in place to maintain both open fed with these Instances and preserve the Beehaw identity.
(@supernovae@readit.buzz replying to myself because replying to your comment was bugged, couldn’t post)…
I hear what you are saying. However, the Fediverse intentionally puts a lot of control into the hands of whoever is running the Instance. I, for one, do believe that the Beehaw Admins want Beehaw to be federated with as many Instances as possible. It’s very clear from their Rules and About posts though, that controlling and curating the atmosphere within this Instance is the #1 priority, and access to content for their own members is a high but secondary priority. They also did not want or ask to be such a huge destination for accounts in the Fediverse. One of the reasons I believe there are so many communities here is because Beehaw is an option for folks who want a safe and controlled platform with a broad range of topics, with discussion that fits a certain community culture that Beehaw espouses. Whether those communities are the largest or most active is not a motivating factor in their creation.
Beehaw admins seem to be placing the health of their own communities and members above the “greater good” of the Fediverse, which is precisely the kind of decision the Fediverse empowers them to make. They even said that, if necessary, they would move to a whitelist model for Federation. So no, the system will not “continue to be overwhelmed,” because the Admins have been very clear that they will take steps as drastic as necessary to maintain the community and culture they are attempting to build. That’s an entirely legitimate use for Fediverse Instances, even if it rubs many people (myself included) the wrong way.
For what it’s worth, I have another account on lemmy.dbzer0 and another much smaller Instance which have much more focused communities and open Federation, which embodies a more typical or expected Fediverse user experience. I plan to stick around Lemmy/KBin for the next year or so and watch all this play out. It’s still very early days and these things will work themselves out.
Thanks for the update and for the link to the reasoning – I had completely missed it.
Based on the initial post (only mentioning defederation without linking to the Details), it sounded like the three servers had a falling-out of some sort, but this sounds reasonable. I can appreciate the difficulty of trying to maintain a welcoming environment.
From a user perspective, I think I’m mostly frustrated with the lack of visibility with these changes, specifically trying to keep track of what I do and don’t have access to. I don’t think that’s the responsibility of beehaw to implement, but I might continue to look for solutions
While it’s not the easiest to sort through, the Instances list at the bottom of the page shows every instance we’re federated with and those that are blocked. This will always show what you do and don’t have access to through your Beehaw account (or through your account on another instance should you sign up elsewhere). Direct link if it’s easier: https://beehaw.org/instances
You’re awesome, thank you.
I saw the “instances” link at the bottom, but I assumed it was just a variation on the join-lemmy.org site (which I see is another one of the links down there). Please forgive me, still learning the platform :-)
I’m pretty sure most of us are still learning the platform, and the defederation is certainly adding to the list of things to figure out as a user. I’d rather people ask than just silently wonder. :)
Great summary!
Run your own instance and it becomes irrelevant.
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Yes, new instances usually automatically federate with everything. From what I’ve heard, there are “default” blocklists being maintained as far as what you might choose to block by default (so you don’t have to go through the growing pains yourself if you don’t want) or they could decide to whitelist instances which would then affect federation. And, as seen here, they can also defederate from any instance at any time if they feel the need.
If you’re running your own instance, of course, you’re the one calling the shots so you make those decisions and can federate with everything if that’s what you want.
It’s temporary, so I’m not very fussed. It’s all just part of being in a Fediverse. I deliberately did not create an alt/back-up account, despite most people doing so. (Too likely to spend even more time online!) There are plenty of other community subscriptions to keep me busy even with the current defed.
Just about everything on mander.xyz is interesting. That’s a science and nature instance you could look into.
That is a rather healthy outlook tbh!
I think I’m going to sub to some kbin magazines, that’ll add some extra stuff, they’re pretty big after all. :)
I ended up subscribing to magazines from kbin today, too. Still a lot to discover. lemmy.dbzer0.com has a lot of interesting stuff as well.
I think the only community I was subbed to that would have been impacted was the Nine Inch Nails community. It was only just getting started so I’m not too concerned with it.
I’m new here, so i hadn’t much time to engage there. One thing i was happy to find was a ADHD community on lemmy.world, it’s a bit of a bummer that i can’t access it from here. I think it’s the largest one. Found another one on kbin though and ADHD memes is really cool.
I thought so too, but my subscription feed and access from here (https://beehaw.org/c/adhd@lemmy.world) shows nothing newer than 20h. There’s only one younger post, so it might have other reasons why it doesn’t show.
I had just subbed to some on both servers, but hadn’t interacted in any yet. So it hasn’t affected me too badly. I just need to go find different versions of those communities, since most of the witchy ones I could find were over there.
I was subscribed to a lot of pretty niche communities on lemmy.world, so safe to say I’m disappointed in that regard. I’m happy the mods here are trying to make this place safer, but I think it would help to be able to make your own communities at some point.
I’m currently browsing for communities to replace those small ones that I lost hold of.
Would’ve been nice I’d there’d been some way to block users from those domains to access our stuff but still let us subscribe to theirs somehow.
