• @germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      82•8 months ago

      The bread and butter for anyone wanting a TLDR:

      The FDO team is right that Hyprland’s community reflects poorly on the Linux desktop community as a whole. Vaxry [the Hyprland Dev] has created a foothold for hate, transphobia, homophobia, bullying, and harassment in the Linux desktop community. We are right to take action to correct this problem.

      • @Salix@sh.itjust.works
        33•8 months ago

        And on that note, I condemn in the harshest terms the response from communities like /r/linux on the subject. The vile harassment and hate directed at the FDO officer in question is obscene and completely unjustifiable. I don’t care what window manager or desktop environment you use – this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for. I expect better.

        Oh wow. That community is just hateful

        • @patatahooligan@lemmy.world
          25•8 months ago

          And now in the r/linux thread about these news people are defending Vaxry, misrepresenting what the ban was about, and hating FDO.

          Indicatively, this blatantly wrong comment chain is upvoted:

          Is this the project where some red Hat dev started dropping legal threats from their corporate account over offline activities by third parties in unrelated communities years past?

          Sort of. You got some details wrong but essentially, yes.

          But this is downvoted and has replies telling them they’re wrong:

          Congratulations to the hyprland project, but I definitely will not be using or contributing to the project as long as it’s an exclusionary and intolerant space.

    • VikEnglish
      26•8 months ago

      Damn, had no idea about this.

    • @geoff@lemm.ee
      29•8 months ago

      Well I was going to try Hyprland this weekend, but I think instead I will very much not do that.

      I hope someone forks it from a good commit just before they replaced wlroots. I don’t know the specifics of compositor code at all, but I bet It’s going to cost them quite a bit of velocity to maintain their replacement.

      • @laughterlaughter@lemmy.world
        -6•8 months ago

        I’d say, read Hyprland’s responses linked elsewhere in this thread before making any hasty decisions.

        It seems (but I’m not sure, to be clear), that it was a situation that got solved, and people are still hung up on it.

        It’s like that “but you fuck one sheep” joke.

      • pinchcramp
        3•8 months ago

        While I use river as daily driver and am very happy with it, I feel people who like Hyprland will find river to be rather limited and barren in terms of looks and availability of plugins.

        • @porl@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3•8 months ago

          I’d be happy to find an alternative to Hyprland, but it was the first tiling manager that really clicked for me and (before the community issues came to light) I spent quite some time getting it set to the way I like it. I’d love for a competent fork or similar but it is well beyond my skill level to do that.

      • @kelvie@lemmy.ca
        9•8 months ago

        After this news I switched to using KDE with Karousel, an animation plugin, and a rounded corners plugin (kwin scripts).

        I also use a command runner plasmoid to somewhat replicate waybar from shell scripts.

      • @Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca
        4•8 months ago

        I like niri, but I’ll be damned if I can get any kind of stability out of it. I’ll have myself a flawless time at home testing, but as soon as my laptop enters University Grounds it stops launching apps, or crashes, or whatever else.

        Right now I’m using Gnome/PaperWM since Infinite horizontal has changed my workflow so dramatically, and Gnome is more stable for me.

        • @sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de
          12•8 months ago

          He is some sort of a sociopath. I remember having the same feelings reading his Blogposts. But after rethinking and checking the facts it came to me how awful his own reaction was.

          If you use an infrastructure as the project did, the host is allowed to define rules. In his reaction everything was framed like she as a woman would just fire against his project because of she likes to have power. The mailing list told a totally different story. After I realised his framing was again hateful and misleading, I stepped away from the project and till now all news about that.

          The development of a dedicated backend is most probably because of technical reasons since wlroots caused some problems, though.

    • Psyhackological
      -11•8 months ago

      My opinion: let’s separate the software and the people making it. If it’s great tool and FOSS why not use it? You use software, not people.

      EDIT: I know that FOSS heavily relies on community but also that’s the point. I don’t see how toxic comminity can progress further while more open minded and kind fork will be a better choice of the same software base.

      • @atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        18•8 months ago

        The thing about Foss is that it’s typically community oriented. You are not only able to contribute and participate, but you’re invited to do so.

        And if you’re an asshole and your community is toxic then who cares if your code is good? There are other projects I’d rather participate in. Cuz you’re not that good.

        • Psyhackological
          2•8 months ago

          That’s correct, but sometimes in that sense you don’t engage with anyone and just read the docs. Also there are some cases when main contributors were toxic or unhelpful in a long run that community decided to create independent fork that’s more FOSS driven, not by elitism driven.

        • @Ferk@lemmy.ml
          2•8 months ago

          I have contributed to other projects without really needing to get involved in their community in any personal/parasocial level, though.

          I just make a pull request and when the code was good it was accepted, when not it got rejected. Sometimes I’ve had to make changes before it getting merged, but I had no need to engage in discussions on discord or anything like that. I’ve been in some mailing lists to keep track on some projects, but never really engaged deeply, specially if it goes off-topic.

          If I find that a good code contribution is rejected for whatever toxic reason, then the consequence of that is the code would stop being as good as it could have (because of the contributions being rejected/slowed down), so it’s then that forking might be in order. Of course the code matters.

      • @nmtake@lemm.ee
        26•8 months ago

        Please note that many users of FOSS are also developers or contributors. Who wants to report a bug or send a patch if the community is worse?

      • jevans ⁂
        34•8 months ago

        Since this change is entirely a result of the bad behavior of the maintainer and would not have happened otherwise, this a perfect example of why we fundamentally cannot separate the work from the people who make it.

        Even if you do not agree with the social backlash this person is getting, that backlash has real effects on the work.

        I, for one, no longer trust that hyprland will remain a well-maintained piece of software given that the maintainer would rather increase their maintenance burden and diverge from using common tools instead of cooperating with the community.

        • Psyhackological
          4•8 months ago

          Yeah the “organisation” stuff behind… To be honest anything can show negative or positive effects on the end product. I see it in my job, college and even the Unity or CrowdStrike can make such examples.

      • @woelkchen@lemmy.world
        23•8 months ago

        If it’s great tool and FOSS why not use it? You use software, not people.

        I didn’t write about its user base, I wrote about its community – the cesspool that engages among each other. That said, the moment someone opens a bug report, there’s a real chance that person gets harassed.

    • @frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
      -29•8 months ago

      Imagine letting yourself get emotional about ghe “asshole community” of a “tiling compositor”.

      Anything can get to you if that can.

    • Mia
      -1•8 months ago

      People should learn to separate technically impressive projects from the people running them. I’m not going to contribute or financially support the project, but I’m not going to stop using Hyprland because of its creator’s views and conduct. With that said, this stuff certainly doesn’t spark enthusiasm…

        • Mia
          2•8 months ago

          I wasn’t criticising your comment, sorry if that’s what it looked like. It was just what came to mind reading a bunch of comments saying they’re abandoning Hyprland because of the controversies. Probably should have just replied to the post itself instead of your comment…

      • @atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        25•8 months ago

        Being a good dev doesn’t mean being a good person

        Being a good dev doesn’t justify being a bad person either.

        This wm is dead to me.