(Reminder: if you have shared the original version in a public post with an old version up, replacing it with this one might be more helpful.)
I want to preface, if you see a mistake in the image or have something helpful to add, go right ahead! I still have the layered files for this, so edits can be made very quickly. I chose to handwrite the text to avoid font copyright infringement.
Feel free to share this poster as you wish, especially on Reddit. All I ask is that you respect the license and don’t remove my socials at the bottom. If anyone’s addition is included, I’ll credit them, and if this gets added onto (or translated) by someone else later, they can add their info as well.
I hope someone can find it useful with the subreddit blackouts right around the corner.
I want to thank the Beehaw admins so much for their amazing work!
(Poster edited; I spotted a duplicated word, mrmanager@lemmy.today noted the lack of whitespace; current version is slightly larger and has been spaced out. You can still request the 800x2000 size, but know it is a little squished.)
(Edit 2: Removed defederation part as it’s not really required. The email analogy blackcoffee@beehaw.org suggested has been added, thanks!)
(Edit 3: Here’s another version making the interconnectivity a bit clearer and mentioning some cool-looking reader apps that have been suggested! Also made the image slightly longer for ease of viewing. I might do some small cosmetic changes tomorrow)
(I’ll put out Edit 4 tomorrow, which will include the date the edit was made, will clarify mlem only being available through TestFlight, will mention other Kbin instances, as well as a reminder to confirm emails with any new signup in a timely fashion. Thank you all for the help and tips!)
Thank you for your work! I wonder if this could be updated to include join-lemmy since it just points people to kbin.social. That might be confusing if they’re trying to find a Lemmy server or well, simply other instances in general!
Thank you, I didn’t expect this to take off like it did! I explained in another post here why I didn’t name join lemmy for the guide, but the thread is getting pretty long. There are instances listed on there fairly high up with descriptions that suggests the instance hosts and permits illegal content (the instance is not FMHY or related to piracy as I also noted), and I wouldn’t feel good about recommending the website because of that. browse.feddit.de didn’t have anything of that nature on their list as far as I can tell by scrolling for a few minutes, and it also tells you which instance hosts the community.
If you mean the instance that promotes itself as NSFW allowed and “shota/loli/cub friendly”, it’s my understanding that fictional drawings of that type are not illegal, at least not in the states (presumably laws vary between countries on this). It’s certainly not something I’d ever want to be within 10 feet of, but there’s an ocean between that and actual child abuse materials (and the instance in question does explicitly ban such materials, per a quote of the rules I saw in another thread about this). I don’t think it necessarily follows that people into the former must also be child abusers, same as I don’t think furries are automatically into beastiality.
But nevertheless I agree it’s… not a good look at all for that to be front and center on the join page. It could have and should have been removed a while ago - it’s been up long enough I believe the Lemmy devs must be aware of it, so I’m suspecting they just don’t care.
I think the join page also made generally offputting by Lemmygrad and arguably even Lemmy.ml, too, frankly, and since those are the lemmy dev’s instances, there’s no fixing that until and unless they end up just outnumbered.
tl;dr: I support you not linking join-lemmy, but I wonder if we have an alternative site that people can use to browse and choose an instance somewhere? If not, could someone make one?
Edit: an alternative would be especially helpful since redditors, lacking a direct link, will inevitably just google “lemmy” and immediately find the join-lemmy page anyway.
Thanks for the reply; regardless of whether it’s actually legal wherever a person is/where the server’s hosted (Canada has stricter laws pertaining this type of stuff, not sure if it would cover what’s going on there), it still has a definite ‘ick’ factor I am not comfortable with, and I’m glad to know I’m not alone I’m thinking that! The ideology of the Lemmy devs and the Lemmygrad instance are also highly questionable at best, and while there’s not much we can do to keep the join Lemmy site off of the Google results in the short term, not spreading it further is a good idea.
There’s not another easily accessible mobile-friendly actual directory I know of; I put the browse community page as a next best thing. I think I vaguely recall finding some all-Fediverse-instance site, but that is was very broken, crowded, and unusable on mobile.
I’m not code-savvy at all myself; I’d really love to see another, more filtered directory that would be more appealing to the average person!
Is lemmygrad actually run by the devs? I haven’t been able to find any evidence of this.
all the weirdly the specific cat subreddits if I don´t have a my r/catloaf idk what I’m going to do.
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Here’s one for you!
Wow! I was going to make a guide but this is so much better than what I could’ve made.
It’s great. I agree with the removal of de-federation, I don’t see how that’s important at this stage. And since you mention kbin.social, why not also point people to https://join-lemmy.org/?
I will be removing the de-federation part and putting the email analogy in its place, I agree it isn’t really important enough to note. The reason I don’t add the join lemmy site is that they list at least one instance that seems to invite illegal activity/content, and that didn’t take long to find in the directory, so I feel it would be irresponsible to mention it. I scrolled through browse.feddit.de for a few minutes and couldn’t find anything that obvious, so I added that one. It says where a community is hosted, too, so that might help someone!
(I can’t reply to zekus@beehaw.org for some reason, just loads endlessly)
It’s not FMHY, and the piracy sub appears on the feddit.de list I posted. Good to hear it’s being moderated!
What’s the difference between kbin and Lemmy? I saw something about Lemmy having ‘baggage’ and kbin being a newer iteration?
Very nice! Perhaps it would be a good idea to spell out that you can subscribe to any community in the Fediverse no matter what part of it you signed up on, kbin or any instance of Lemmy?
I know that’s not absolutely accurate, but it’s close enough.
Good point! I won’t be able to edit for a few hours, but in terms of it not always being accurate it is definitely possible in the vast majority of cases.
This is great. Does a good job of outlining the important information and making sure that things are approachable for new users. There really should be content like this on all the entry-point sites.
It is a great post, but I would recommend changing the color you use for lemmy in the text. It is too close to black and it looks like only kbin is a different color. When I first read it, I thought there was a smudge on my screen.
Additionally, it seems that kbin.social is not currently federated due to being behind cloudflair and not being configured correctly. (according to other users) but I can confirm that kbin.social is not currently federated.
Got it, didn’t know about Cloudflare being on there. I’ll make Lemmy a slightly lighter grey but I don’t want to sacrifice readability, so I might do a different color, don’t know yet!
For more info, I read more about it and the cloudflare thing is just temporary to prevent them from getting ddos’d. They will start to federate once things stablize.
I really like this, nice work 🙂
Related question for all you experts: if I have an account on both (for example) lemmy.ml and lemmy.world, what is effectively the difference between them if I can view content from any federated instance?
AFAIK, the difference is mostly in the performance, moderation, and peering of each instance.
I see, so…
- If the instance my account is on is down or slow, I may not be able to log in.
- Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me? This seems… potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I’m a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?
- Could you elaborate on peering? Does that refer to which Fediverse apps a Lemmy instance can communicate with?
I’m new to this as well, so this is all AFAIK, don’t take it as gospel, please correct me readers, etc.
If the instance my account is on is down or slow, I may not be able to log in.
Correct. Your account is tied to your local instance. Unlike mastodon there is currently no way to transfer accounts between instances.
Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me? This seems… potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I’m a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?
Moderators of communities can delete your posts or ban you from their community. I’m not sure if remote admins can easily ban you from their entire instance.
Remote admins can definitely decide to de-federate your local instance if you and a bunch of peers are being bad trolly spambots.
Could you elaborate on peering? Does that refer to which Fediverse apps a Lemmy instance can communicate with?
Yes. Click “instances” at the bottom of this page to see which instances beehaw federates with. You’ll note there are a couple banned instances due to issues with their content or moderation.
Good stuff! Thank you for clarifying. This all makes a lot more sense now.
np. also wow! a lot more than a couple banned instances now!
that page has changed dramatically in the past couple days
that page has changed dramatically in the past couple days
this is because we started using a heavily curated blocklist for the worst mastodon instances (they can interoperate with us). we didn’t expect any trouble from any of them, but any instance in the new batch of banned instances can be safely assumed to be quite bad and it’s better to be proactive than not.
Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me? This seems… potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I’m a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?
They can stop you from accessing their instance, afaik.
Okay good. Not that I plan to be an issue. 😆
Thank you! Super helpful
This is awesome, thank you for making this. Trying to get friends and family to move platform seems like such a daunting task and I wasn’t sure how to put forward the information - feeling much better about it now.
Great post. Mind if I repost on subreddits that are open during the blackout?
Absolutely, that’s what it’s there for!
Fantastic job. I wanted to do something similar this weekend, but life kind of got in the way and I was pretty bummed that I couldn’t get it out the door. It makes me really happy to see that someone had the same thought! There was a big need for something like this.
You’re a bad ass!
You’re telling me that i could have just… logged in with my mastodon account? How does that work? (i know its beyond the scope of the guide but i want to try)
I’m having a hard time figuring out how to subscribe to a community from another instance. I know I need a link to the community (not sure what this looks like as the one I thought I’d found didn’t work) and a search bar to paste it in, which I found once on jerboa I think but not again. Is there a more detailed guide for subscribing to another instance’s community?
