Is there even anything in Genesis to suggest that the ‘days’ were 24h long? I could see it being meant metaphorically…
I grew up catholic and was sent to catholic school and this is what we were taught. That the creation story is metaphor, the catholic church believes God used the big bang and evolution to create the world and people, ect.
Dang, thats sick. Ive always wondered why that wasnt the default view. Nothing in science contradicts God, although it certainly contradicts a fair amount of the bible. Back when i was alternatively religious, i would commonly argue to my traditionally religious family that evolution doesnt have anything to do with whether God created the world, and that the bible states God made the world for us to explore and utilize. He also said that due to our sin, nothing would come freely, including those tools. I believed medicine was a part of Gods tools he created for us to use. Same with science. Hence my natural conclusion was that God retroactively evolved the creatures around us. He didnt spring them into existance, its fully within Gods power to alter the timeline so they naturally evolved on this planet. Its possible he had simply already evolved them to be ready for us, the guy knows the future.
It was a cool fanfic, but now im wholly athiest for moral reasons.
There is “old earth creationism” which works along those lines. But creationists are “literalists,” which actually means they believe a specific interpretation of the text taught to them by their pastor.
Really, you’d think that most anyone reading the texts would realize that Genesis 1 and 2 were mutually contradicting…
This is the thing that gets me. Literally the first book of the old testament immediately contradicts itself yet they claim to take it literally. The reality is that very few read the Bible at all other than the passages cherry picked by the preacher to read during the sermon.
It’s so weird to me. When I was in second grade, I started trying to read the Bible from cover to cover (made it until Numbers, then I had to start skipping around for my own sanity).
We keep hearing about how this is the most important book to this group of people. They demand it be taught in schools, they demand that we follow its precepts, but they can’t be arsed to read it themselves?
“No, that wasn’t a metaphor! The Bible is literal truth!”
“What about ‘The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are strangers and sojourners with Me,’ or ‘But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,’ or ‘Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.’?”
“Those parts were metaphorical!”
Imma be real with you. If you show me a cool thing you made in a couple days, and your “days” aren’t 24h long… That’s just sad
On the other hand, show me a universe you made, and I’ll be impressed!
Genesis is full of absolute nonsense
The bible is just early fantasy fiction
Genesis 1 also presumes the earth is flat. I’m a Christian and I really like Genesis 1 but it’s not a good guide for an objective scientific understanding of the world
No mention of an eighth day in that story - we’re still in the “god rested” day!
Guys… Youre trying to apply physics/logic to a supposedly all power deity. Just say the world was just created as is last Thursday or something in its current state. Like if your going to make shit up you don’t have to make it so complicated. It’s all BS anyway…
There’s a whole field of philosophy that’s about how we can’t actually prove anything but the present exists
I’m sure it’s more complicated than that but on the face of it that sounds silly. “Proving” something implies causality, which implies some kind of temporal ordering…
I was homeschooled for most of K-12, and all my peers were crazy fundies. I have so many stories.
I collect that kind of stuff for fun + have some exposure to Christian education communities.
Were you doing ACE? Those workbooks should be illegal.
Not ACE specifically. I actually hadn’t heard of ACE until you mentioned it.
Most of my peers did some combination of Abeka and Saxon curricula, with a smattering of whatever TF the annual “homeschool convention” had available to sell. And yes, the “science” curriculum always had at least one chapter on how stupid “mainstream scientists” are for believing the universe is more than 6,000 years old. (And some books were nothing but that stretched to the length of a text book.) And those chapters loved to quote Ken Ham and shit. My parents were in some ways less fundie than most of my peers, and they told me to skip that chapter. Lol.
If you’re home schooled, wouldn’t those peers be your siblings?
Not sure if this is a joke or not, but I’m an only child.
I was involved in quite a few organizations for homeschoolers, and the “peers” I refer to were kids I knew from those sorts of things:
- I attended a weekly “co-op” ran by homeschoolers’ parents where they’d teach various subjects. The one parent who was fluent in Spanish would teach Spanish. The one who was really passionate about history taught a history class. They’d also purchase frogs to dissect and have 20 kids or whatever dissect frogs (because it’s a) not so easy to get formaldehyde-preserved frogs in quantites much less than that and b) a lot of the parents just wouldn’t want to have to deal with that because it’s icky and were happy to have someone else’s parents have to deal with that while still ensuring their kids had the experience and learned what there was to learn from that exercise). Things like that.
- I took a few classes at a local private (Christian – very Christian) school that allowed homeschoolers to attend just one class here and one class there if they and their parents wanted. (The founder of that school had an affair with a secretary. The two of them kindof disappeared and got married, leaving the school without leadership, after which folks started to realize he was kindof a pathological liar and grifter from the start. Heh.)
- I was in a symphony for homeschoolers for a while. (Played violin.)
- There was also a homeschool chess club that I attended for a while.
There were a few other things that I didn’t attend but one or two times. Not enough to really get to know anyone there. And I’m probably forgetting one or two things. But you get the idea.
I mean that or just pre-calculate it and place the light at the same time you place the stars
But precalculating is just waste of resources when you are building a pure procedural universe.
I doubt that’s really a consideration when you are literally God
Well, obviously he isn’t a literal god since he made mistakes and retcons and had to rest afterwards.
Eh, this god is lazy. They even had to rest a whole day.
Procedural, law based world generation is the trademark of a lazy and experienced god.
Story with that premise:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/50558/the-great-erectus-and-faun
And they had to reset the simulation at least once because of all the bad behaviors.
It’s obviously a race condition in the simulation software. The stars database is loaded before the c constant.
This will be patched in a future update, however current simulation will need a data wipe for the updated behaviour to show.
There are plenty of things God “might have done,” But this sort of thing is neither scientific nor scriptural.
In which case the distances astronomers have measured based on light travel time are insanely larger than thought and the problem of a big universe isn’t solved.
God damn they’ve been vomiting the same bullshit for at least 50 years and it’s just as dumb as it was from the get go.
Imagine all the cosmic background radiation and starlight of 4 billion years, as measured in the outer universe, landing on Earth in a time-dilated period of only 7 days. Earth would be cooked. By my calculation, the surface of the Earth would get up to 1900 Kelvin.
let it happen
Everybody knows that the speed of light used to be way higher but then spacefaring civilizations brought down the local speed to prevent surprise attacks.The current c is what it is because of millennia of space war
Have there ever been any stars or planets, that we see in the night sky, just disappear? I always wondered if that has happened during the last 4,000 years or so of celestial observation. When I was a kid I was told that some stars are so far away that they were dead but the light we are receiving from them is still continuing to arrive as starlight. Have we seen that dead star light wink out? I know the universe is very old and the last 4,000 years was just a blink of an eye, but I’m curious if anyone knows if this has happened.
Chinese were very diligent skywatchers and catalogued much history, there was record of a “guest star” supernova being witnessed before the star blinked out of existence. And recently astronomers observed a star in Andromeda collapse into a black hole.
Thanks!
Mighta coulda maybe possibly probably done a thing that happened, implausibly
There should be a list somewhere of so-called scientists who, in their personal lives, believe in extraordinary things with zero evidence.
They should not be allowed to call themselves scientists anymore
