Look at here and the people who complain about it being too hard to figure out are the ones complaining about “I can’t use muh slurs, this is awful.”
“The left of today is very much in favour of censorship to avoid “harm.” This makes those of us in the middle very wary of signing up to any partisan media.” /u/decidedlysticky23
/u/misshapensteed claims he isn’t far right, but explictly only posts on PoliticalCompassMemes and TheLeftCantMeme and KotakuInAction.
If they are too stupid to figure out we know they’re lying, they’re too stupid to figure out lemmy.
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I don’t understand the reddit users who are claiming they don’t want to join Lemmy over political reasons. They could create their own instance with whatever rules they want and push whatever political agenda they want. The fact that the platform is decentralized means everyone can get with they want.
Yep! That’s the thing about federated platforms that seems really hard to drill into people’s heads. Go make your own thing. It’s genuinely not that hard.
They’re just not smart enough to understand how it works.
Hey!
…Why do you have an 88 in your username?
Some people are born in 1988, lol. I appreciate the concern over dogwhistles but I would encourage you to report content you see that is not nice. If you plan to have a conversation with someone, please give them the benefit of the doubt.
:) Deal.
Oh, this is absolutely hilarious.
I dunno, “too political” can just mean people don’t want every discussion to devolve into politics. Having these strong left communities front and center can give that impression. I don’t need to read a low effort “capitalism bad” on every topic. I hope this doesn’t devolve into that, but filtering out the politically apathetic sends us in direction for that to happen.
Honestly, other than threads that are specifically about politics I’ve barely seen any politics on here lol
Especially here on Beehaw cause I’m also on lemmy.ml with another account
In my experience, like 4 times out of 5 when people decry things getting too political, what they’re really saying is they like things the way they are and they don’t want anyone to change anything. the other 1 time out of 5 they’re just super exhausted fighting the good fight all the time and need to turn off for a bit just to survive the next day.
it’s the one thing I like about mastodon - the CWs - even though it seems like so many people are against them. but in my view, it gives people who are wrung out and highly upset over politics and general disappointment an ability to let their batteries recharge, while still allowing others to agitate for change and shine a light on political problems.
it also neatly pulls the rug out from under the 4/5ths of people who are happy with their lot in life and don’t want anyone else to win like they are. I see this as an absolute win
like 4 times out of 5 when people decry things getting too political, what they’re really saying is they like things the way they are and they don’t want anyone to change anything
Exactly. Everything is political; if saying or doing something is political, then not saying or doing it is also a political stance.
It is funny how the only viable Reddit alternative I’ve found so far (here) isnt led by weird libertarian tech bros but communists lol
The “centrists” that all all in favor of letting the oppressor and the oppressed talk their differences in a neutral playground are great.
Requires a level of love for the status quo and lack of reflection that never ceases to amaze.
Dude, you are not in the center. You are three steps from the neonazis and a thousand kilometers from the tankies. Even if you are opposed to the “extremes” and “mu horseshoe” yo are not equidistant.
I’m not that kind of communist so I won’t likely interact with lemmygrad but for the rest of lemmy I’m not concerned with the devs being tankies unless they lean hard into silencing disssenting views from the rest of the left like anarchists and other flavors of socialists
The beauty of the system is that they really don’t have that power. It’s open source and federated, so at most they can ban people from instances they run
True, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth I suppose. Just another of the many many grey areas of life and trying to be as ethical as possible under a capitalist system
Yeah no disagreement there, as a non-auth leftist tankies really activate my almonds
I’ll admit that I struggled to figure out Mastodon when twitter changed hands. For me it was either too confusing or not worth figuring out. Maybe it was just the nature of it being more about personal posts, so each server was much more different.
I had no such trouble with Lemmy/Beehaw. Drop-in replacement. That said, I don’t think I’m a communist? I’m not a raging capitalist either though? I’m just kinda here.
If you joined beehaw, you aren’t exposed to lemmygrad which is what they may be talking about. Some of them are far, far left and because they outnumbered other Lemmy users, the general vibe of viewing posts was a little extreme.
They are dropping away on the community browser so they may be relegated to niche rather than dominant as more users join.
As someone who is far, far left, I just want to say that Lemmygrad doesn’t represent us all. The libertarian left is very different.
Ditto. I’d call myself a socialist, but they’re so far “left” they’re far right again, imo. Pro-dictators and forceful subjugation and whatnot. Tankies. Not really sure what makes them left at all, really, except by virtue of the word communism and the fact that everyone seems to have agreed they are.
At least, assuming this crowd is the same as similar crowds I am familiar with - I’ll admit I have not explored lemmygrad much, and I don’t particularly intend to.
Tankies are just right-wingers who simp for different countries.
To my understanding- the real divider here is agreement on weather or not Deng’s capitalist roading/economic reforms were revisionist or pragmatic. People who agree with the former aren’t represented to much of any degree, on here and Reddit. The latter are on Lemmygrad. Not much discussion on the Mass Line or Concentric Construction or Marxism as a science in general which I think can alienate interested parties like anarchists and progressives into seeing these guys as really really online
I think Lemmy is too political, but still joined a long time ago. Things can improve with time. We’re seeing this happen now.
they’re too stupid to figure out lemmy
Please let’s not introduce elitism into Lemmy. I just got here and stumbled upon this post. The social network you use does not make you superior. As much as I agree with anti-racist censorship, there is no need to speak as if Lemmy users are superior beings. It was annoying when Redditors did it back in the day and it will continue to be now.
Quite. Remember narwhaling bacon? Never again.
I mean more as “if you can’t look past skin tone and gender, you can’t probably read a sign up sheet.”
Racists are idiots. The ones who learned better aren’t idiots because they applied new knowledge.
Racists just regurgitate what they were told since birth, without questioning anything and doubling down.
Is Lemmy better? Remains to be seen. But if they refuse to join because we won’t tolerate slurs, that’s a bonus.
Exactly this.
As an analogy, I personally think the Linux desktop is better than Windows but I don’t think desktop Linux users are inherently better than Windows users.
Sure, desktop Linux users are probably more tech savvy on average but they are probably also more likely to be less socially capable imo. (like me)
“I use Arch by the way”
(I kid, I kid… I use garuda)
I do actually run arch btw :)
Praise the Arch wiki though
Oh for sure. And pacman / the AUR. It’s the reason I stated with an arch-based os even though I got a little tired of managing all the minutiae myself (I did used to use arch)
s/stupid/lazy
I disagree. Lemmy is really lacking proper leadership. The current leadership while incredibly skilled and well intentioned really sucks at leading a project like this which is mostly because of their extreme political stances.
That being said, good riddance in this case. It’s perfectly fine to miss out on some people and every instance has it’s own right to moderate itself however it wants.
Lemmy was made with politicals roots. You can disagree with the political views of admins, that’s okay, but it’s certain that here, incitation of violence and discrimination against minorities will not be tolerated
claims he isn’t far right
Right-wing extremists do this to make it seem like their position is widely held and “normal.” The worst extreme right-wing party we have here in Finland (Valta kuuluu kansalle or “Power Belongs to the People”, aka Valta kuuluu Kremlille or “Power Belongs to the Kremlin”) claims to be center right. The head of the party is a pro-Russia flat earther who doesn’t believe in climate change, and the party is staunchly anti-immigration
Performative Overton acrobatics.
On the one hand, I hate the right’s bullshit. But, on the other hand, there was some comfort in having the ability to keep tabs on them. If they pick a different space, it’ll be harder to anticipate what they’re planning.
They already have several. Vote, 8chan, 4chan, parler, telegram, truth spcial, pockets of reddit, and twitter now i guess. I can’t think of as many leftist equivalents.
frankly i can only think of hexbear and raddle as even remotely comparable “spaces”–and you’d need to be pretty online to even know what those are. left-social media is just not a thing in the same way as it is for the right and far-right
And that’s so crazy to me, honestly. I remember the days when not a single ISP was willing to host Stormfront, and every website instantly banned anyone who was being a nazi. Now they embrace them.
clicks = $$. Visits and engagement = $$
I disagree, it’s not hard to check in with other spaces on the internet.
For me, its the finding of other spaces thst I find difficult because I don’t spenf s lot of time online, so community seeking and vetting are skills I don’t have.
That’s a good point, I suppose I take it for granted that I’m in communities with many links to other communities.
That said, the ones I’m talking about tend to try and be as loud as they can, to advertise and recruit, so for the people who are online a lot aiming to keep tabs on them, it shouldn’t be any more difficult if they’re on the same site or a different one.
As this is a post on Beehaw, I’m going to abide by the rule and omit any unsavory words I was originally going to include 🙂
Whether intentional or not, the slur filter was one of the most genius things the Lemmy developers have ever done. No one was under any false pretenses that it was the absolute best way of moderating a space. In fact, everyone knew from the get-go that it had its fair share of problems! But it did one thing splendidly: it acted as a barrier against people obsessed with free speech who claim a slur filter is a tool used by some nebulous participants in the current culture war. I’ll refer to this comment made by user
uabstractionon Hacker News 2 years ago.Even to this day you see those people using the slur filter as a talking point against the devs, the software, the wider community, etc. even though it hasn’t been hard-coded or required for over a year at this point!
Meanwhile, as they continue to avoid Lemmy and prophesize its downfall, the people actually participating on Lemmy are growing a community and just generally vibing! No one is fainting at the thought that they can’t say a slur.
Not just the slur filter, the whole strong leftist flavor, hard moderation, and no stupid ideals of free speech lemmy had basically sent all the right wing extremists running.
I don’t see an issue with slur filter either but from what I’ve read it was hardcoded and couldn’t be customized by other instances. Can you explain the reasoning behind that, why not let instances decide how far they want to go with their censoring policies? In my experience the only good moderation is manual context-aware moderation done by a person, text filters accomplish nothing except making people come up with slang terms or other workarounds. Seems weird to have this policy enforced in this way.
It’s open source software. You could even then remove the slur filter manually trivially, and with a small amount of technical skill, make that persist across updates.
It took them quite some time to move it to a user friendly place. It can be set in the server settings in the UI presented to administrators. Previously it was hard coded requiring a fork or maintaining code every update.
However, I’d like to highlight that many people interested in federated software are not as technically proficient as you are. Your thoughts on what is challenging probably doesn’t match what less technically proficient users think of as challenging. If federated software is to succeed, it needs to be approachable to many different kinds of people, not just the most tech literate of us.
My teenage son and I recently had a conversation about how the people complaining something is “too political” are the ones with a political agenda you have to watch out for. He pleasantly surprised me by being 2 steps ahead of me (he told me he liked the thing people were criticizing because of the political aspects).
Is there a Lemmy equivalent of r/SelfAwareWolves?
https://lemmy.ml/c/selfawarewolves Last activity was 9 months ago though.
How can someone honestly claim to be “in the middle” when one side openly embraces Nazis, sexism, and other forms of bigotry? What’s the middle ground there?
There’s a difference between needing a safe space and not wanting to hang out with the KKK.
It’s an Overton Window thing. They’ve watched so much “fair and balanced” far-right media that it has made them believe that they’re centrists.
Would Lemmy embrace or allow /r/2ALiberals ? This is a topic I’ve been curious about.
If someone wanted to do that they could spin up a server or find a friendly server and create the community. So definitely allowed.
I can’t really speak to whether it would be embraced because I’m too new to know, but assuming a critical mass of people move here I would assume so.
I’m curious if it would be federated or not. Plenty of firearm owners in the US are not conservative or right leaning. They often don’t have good communities to participate in for firearms related content because of that.
Oh, I’m well aware. I’m lightly left leaning with a few running around because I hunt. I’d probably join to look, but I’m not big on participating in that kind of community because it’s such a small hobby for me compared to the other million hobbies I have.
