I’m not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all
But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don’t think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i’m not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?
A week ago: Bring down the API costs. I’d have begrudgingly accepted paying a few extra bucks a year for Apollo Ultra.
Today: Nothing. Reddit admins acted like smug children in the face of the Apollo Dev’s good faith questions, then the CEO and admins pulled the stunt of trying to act like the dev threatened them. Then the CEO doubled down on that story in the sham AMA. I don’t want to feed that machine anymore.
I have edited and then deleted all my posts and comments except for a few final ones that will go soon. I will keep the account but only as a point of contact for some people until I get them all contacting my email instead.
Same. Maybe if u/spez got fired and the new CEO did a complete 180, but that’s not going to happen.
No Spez
No current reddit admins
No API fees
No other weird 3rd party killing nonsense
Everybody gets frosty chocolate milkshakes
That would be a maybe.
And an apology to Christian, the dev of Apollo, on the napkins that come with the milkshakes!
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Old boss, same as the new boss. I don’t think spez made the decision on their own, they absolutely suck but they’re just the scapegoat., the problem is the whole company and its structure.
Charging for APIs is not the problem, the problem is the deceitful, smug and bad faith approach to it.
The symptom is that they even considered it. The problem is that they are a for-profit company that systematically doesn’t care about us at all.
Yeah, this is why I would prefer to remain on Lemmy unless there’s literally no content, which doesn’t look like it’s going to be an issue :)
I’ve only been here for a day, but the lack of homophobia and transphobia here compared to Reddit has been a breath of fresh air. I’m not afraid of posting here like I was on Reddit, where I’d actually have to debate with myself for a minute or two before posting. It’s like finally leaving a bad relationship; now I’m starting to see how bad that all was for my mental health.
Use the report button if you see any of that too, we will not tolerate it here.
Reddit thrives off of letting homophobes and transpbobes ruin everyone’s day, because it drives up their engagement numbers. We aren’t going to allow that here.
That’s a real relief to me. I see enough of that living in a very red town in a red state. Online communities are one of my only ways to talk to people who don’t want me gone.
This is so relieving tbh its mindboggling to me why all these massive sites never took a stance against homophobes/racists/transphobes like this. its been proven to hurt profits when hate is allowed on any site as people dont like being abused like i swear it cant just be that the CEOs were complacent although its sadly a dumb enough reason to be true.
Also been loving your app Dessalines its been great so far :D (if you tab out of the screen while writing though it does delete text but that aint a real issue though lol)
Thanks! Ya spending any amount of time on reddit or in youtube comments is a hair-pulling experience.
Huffman was always a white supremacist libertarian (and one of those ultra-rich preppers
Oh my lord was he one of the idiots that tried to get a study on how to force a militia group to serve them after an apolcolapse? I remember that story from years ago
Yep. My personal “favorite” quote from that article is incredibly telling of how spez thinks of himself.
“Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.” - Steve “spez” Hoffman
Wth no wonder he stayed off the site I think half of Reddit would drop kick him for being in a thread
They’ve lost me for good. Lemmy is a huge learning curve but I’m here for it. It reminds me of an early Reddit right around the Digg era. I’m excited.
Honestly, I feel like my time with Reddit is done now. You know how when someone breaks up with you and you’re in shock that it’s over but then you start reflecting and realising everything that was wrong with the relationship? That. I feel like Lemmy, and the fediverse, is a really interesting alternative way of doing things, I’m not the most tech savvy (or the least) and at nearly 50 it’s a bit harder for me to pick up new concepts than it was 20 years ago, but I’ll get the hang of it, and I actually think that this will end up being a positive change for me. There is so much wrong with the corporatisation of the internet, and this does feel like a viable and genuine alternative to that.
I’m in the same boat. I believe we’ll get the hang of it eventually thou. See you around.
There’s dozens of us!
i kind of want reddit to die now. people talking to one another shouldn’t be monetized or debased through some spyware algorithm run by antisocial dickheads.
He accused a small 3rd party app solo developer who was working for FREE of blackmailing and threatening him. Spez would have to step down and sell Reddit to someone with better integrity and morals for me to go back.
It won’t happen. Reddit is dying. The culture has had a massive shift and you simply don’t recover from that. When they have their IPO it will be very telling.
But based on this fiasco, any sane investor would have some serious reservations about the leadership of Reddit but its future in the social networking space.
They pissed off a LOT of people, and those people are the ones that create all of the content.
But look across the social media spectrum. FB, Twitter, Reddit. All of them are just tanking.
We are on the precipice of a big paradigm shift in how we communicate with one another online.
It honestly feels like a perfect storm to me
If they went back to open-sourcing their stuff I’d feel better about using it. I don’t like the idea of one person being the keymaster to the entire site, holding the community hostage to their own whims. Lordship is so overrated imo. At least here with Lemmy it’s pretty easy to make your own place.
It’s a pipe dream but at this point that’s the only thing that would bring me back
same here, that’s the only thing that would make me even consider coming back.
also just better management in general is desperately needed, spez needs to go.
Open sourcing won’t do much because the value of reddit are its users, not the code.
They would have to join the fediverse to rebuild to trust but of course there is 0% chance of that because their focus is $$$.
I agree with you that the feeling of no keymaster if very liberating.
Today’s AMA was something else. I honestly don’t know how a founder of reddit doesn’t understand reddit users.
I really like/liked reddit. I’ve been on it since digg v4 happened. Rif dies, I’m done using reddit on my phone. I’m not installing their app. If old dies, then I’m completely done with reddit. I’m not using new. Chances are I’ll use reddit less and less anyway though.
On the topic of not understanding reddit users, the audacity that Spez had to double down on slandering the Apollo dev was jaw dropping. The reddit community came out in force with receipts and a recording! One look at how much effort and detail these people were putting into their questions and comments should have told him to back off, but he couldn’t help himself.
This really does feel like the Digg exodus of yesteryear
Just got to keep that momentum going.
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Ban the handful of moderators who run hundreds of subs between themselves, along with those responsible for moderating AgainstHateSubreddits and ShitRedditSays. Both communities in particular have done tonnes of damage to Reddit as a platform.
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Add clear house rules that make Reddit a better place. Banning things like sexualised content of minors, involuntary/revenge porn, racial hatred, etc shouldn’t come as a result of the press generating negative publicity and hurting Reddit’s bottom line, they should be basic humanitarian requirements to run a social media platform. I mean look at the reason why they banned /r/NoNewNormal, they quoted some bullshit jargon statistics about vote manipulation and used that as a basis to ban them rather than doing what any sane person would do and forbid medical misinformation.
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Make the official app actually good. There’s a reason why tonnes of people use BaconReader, Apollo, Reddit Is Fun, etc, and why almost every web user prefers Reddit’s old minimalistic UI, and it says a lot when a fediverse clone has a better rich text editor than the ‘Fancy Pants Editor’ of New Reddit…
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Spez resigns and brings in somebody more like Aaron Swartz in terms of their beliefs on free speech to run the company.
Ala point 4, don’t let Spez be the only fall guy. Not that it will change anything… but still.
SRS was really funny but hasn’t been relevant in since like…2011? 2012? AHS are was a good sub.
If people took them seriously instead of forcing them to scream into the void, we’d be in a way different situation right now.
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I think (hope?) this was the push I needed to get away from reddit.
Realistically I think a lot of its “free speech” policies were pretty bad and encouraged a lot of hate. They were extremely slow to moderate what I would consider really obvious abuse and dogwhistle communities.
Them getting rid of the app I use to browse Reddit the most was certainly the straw that broke the camel’s back. But it hasn’t been great for awhile imho. Why not go to something better?
The API change was just another nail in the coffin for me. I was running a sober and large local friend group and my account was randomly nuked for “promoting violence”. I appealed it with the comment because it wasn’t even close to that and then my alt was banned too. Like their moderation/appeals is just three bots in a trench coat. Fuck you Spez.
So yea I think I am officially done. I have some alts but going to either close them or get them suspended during the AMA lol.
Do share which get banned lol
I never considered going back. Lemmy is forward. More power to the users and the community and less from greedy shareholders. This is the way.
At this point, it’s only going to get worse. It’s a very large Venture Capital backed company, on track to IPO.
Large VC/public companies goals will follow more of what we see with “mainstream” sites and social media. It’d be against their goals and their business to have less ads, less agorithms showing what their partners want to see and not what the user wants to see, less bloat on their front end. Even if the CEO wanted to go that way, he’d quickly be replaced.
It’s a self sustaining movement of capital now and users are annoyances that they have to deal to achieve their goals.
I’ll be honest, I started using redding decade ago because most forums were very niche, specific, with weird to follow rules, very low on users, and reddit seemed to always have a community for each topic I had an interest on. It still does, but the end is approaching fast, and I don’t want to search Discord servers, social media videos, or even ancient methods that are alternatives like IRC servers, mailing lists ; search results are useless in Google due to SEO and already affect other search engines
It all comes up to finding one or more sites that don’t look ancient or too mobile focused, and if enough people are going to use it and stick to it. Otherwise it’ll just be another corner of the web filled with a few crazy users
