• Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    So, my understanding of auroras is, the planet’s magnetic field draws particles emitted by the sun toward the poles, and as those particles interact with the atmosphere they glow. So without a star and thus without solar wind, where do the aurora come from?

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      2 months ago

      The Wikipedia linked in these comments says it is likely from electron precipitation. Basically the magnetic field traps free elections and thus “wiggles” as they interact with the field. This can make a (pulsed) radio jet shooting from the pole, which is how this planet was observed. These electrons can fine from atmospheric phenomena such as lightning or large storms.

      Earth has the same but much weaker phenomenon, the Van Allen belt, which was a difficult challenge to handle in the early days of space exploration.

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      2 months ago

      Kind of, but not really.

      Auroras dont necessarily need a stars radiation. Any old radiation will do, so long as there are charged particles floating around. Jupiter, for example, has gigantic continuous aurora around the magnetic poles. If auroras only came from the sun, and the earth is much closer to the sun than Jupiter, wouldn’t earth have a bigger aurora than Jupiter?

      No, obviously. The size of the aurora depends on the size of the magnetic field interacting with charged particles and the number of those charged particles.

      In the case of supermassive planets like Jupiter and this rogue planet, they produce way more of their own radiation than they recieve from the sun or space. This rogue “planet” in particular is so massive that it could actually fuse deuterium down in the core just with the pressures and temperatures of gravity crushing all that matter down. If you pumped enough hydrogen in there to quadruple the mass, it would probably ignite into a star quite comparable to our sun.

      For that reason, it’s better to think of this as more of a baby star that didn’t quite eat enough wheaties than a planet in the traditional sense we think of here in our solar system.

      With the crazy physics that come with suns and near dwarfs with similar mass, it’s no surprise that it generates a titanic magnetic field, and as a bonus, it produces its own radiation. It creates all the necessary ingredients it needs to make it’s own spectacular auroras with no actual outside interaction.

      Tl;dr it makes it’s own aurora

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      2 months ago

      The theory seems to be captured radiation (electron) fields. Earth even has one. A stray planet and its halo of interstellar objects might have a very large and complex radiation belt system.

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    2 months ago

    wtf,they have several classifications.

    • free-floating planetary-mass object
    • exoplanet
    • rogue planet
    • brown dwarf

    welcome to science where theres names, AND acknowledgement that things change with new data

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    2 months ago

    Strangely attracted to distant stars yet unable to establish a stable orbit, Simp 0136 is condemned to a lonely existence.

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        I mean… it’s definitely possible, I have seen a person naming every subdivision of the world, which is a bit less than the amount of exoplanets we know (~4000 vs. >6000), but only by 2000, so eventually some person will just do that.

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    Interesting, I just finished reading Rendezvous With Rama.

    If a massive object like that was to pass through our neighbourhood I think it could fling planets out of the solar system.

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      Even with this mass this planet would have to pass one of the outer planets extremely close and quite slowly to have a chance of dragging a planet out of the solar system.

      This is the same sort of idea as when galaxies merge. There is little chance of our solar system being effected in that scenario. There is just too much space to space.

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      That’s one of my very favorite books. It’s fantastic at setting the mood. The further books are ok but not as much to my taste.

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    2 months ago

    So how come there’s an aurora when there’s no star to spray it with electromagnetic radiation?

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      Because the planet produces its own radiation. That much mass means this is less a “planet” and more of a proto star. It’s actually large enough to fuse deuterium if the right conditions arise. Pour enough hydrogen in there to raise the mass three of four times what it has now and it’d be comparable to our sun.

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        Nah, that’s a yes or no question, that’s a worse question. I want to know what’s causing the aurora, if not a star.

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    Welcome to 2016. Mike brown and Konstantin Batygin basically proved that the only way we could explain the orbits of Pluto and other KBO was a massive 9th, yet to be discovered rogue planet more than likely ejected from our inner solar system during planet formation.

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    2 months ago

    That’s looks like a picture of Jupiter, or an artists impression of it, and there’s a star needed for an aurora to happen.

    Any scientific sources to back this story up?

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      No it is indeed an artists impression of the planet - it’s on the wiki page.

      I’m assuming that aurora only needs solar wind to happen on earth - or that solar wind outside the heliosphere is strong enough you don’t need a star for it to happen.

      In 2018 astronomers said "Detecting SIMP J01365663+0933473 with the VLA through its auroral radio emission, also means that we may have a new way of detecting exoplanets, including the elusive rogue ones not orbiting a parent star …