I am not a vaccine sceptic but I am curious as to why America still vaccinates everyone for Covid. In Sweden we haven’t cared for many years about getting vaccinated and it hasn’t been a problem. The vaccine is available to get if you need it. But it’s not something we collectively vaccinate for any more.
Cant speak for the US, but in general, Covid is still more dangerous during the acute infection than the flu and also causes much larger numbers of post-viral sequelae. Those are all potential reasons to recommend the vaccine, which can reduce the severity of both
Here: vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate, in Sweden : meh do whatever.
Also Swedish people: hello neighbor please you’re only 5 meters away from me it makes me uncomfortable.
In the meantime in France: Hello friends and neighbours, kiss kiss kiss kiss!
On a more serious note, Sweden had the medical capacity that France didn’t have, which is one of the big reasons in the very different response to the pandemic in those two countries.
Same in Germany. Last year I asked some people who got vaccinated if they think I also should get another shot and all of them told me that I’m not in a vulnerable group (or a caretaker) so I shouldn’t bother. So we basically repeat what we know from the normal flu (influenza) and just vaccinate vulnerable people. I’m not sure if this is the best way to do it, because I think many people die each year of the flu as well. However, death statistics are hard and I couldn’t find any reliable data on this either.
When I was in college, our choir director told us that the flu vaccine was mandatory – like he couldn’t actually know or enforce it, but we had a duty to the group to do whatever we could to protect each other in that high risk activity. Especially since some of the members were seniors. I thought that was pretty compelling and beautiful, and I got it that year after being hesitant and have every year since.
It very likely has been a problem and is just being underreported.
A single infection often doesn’t cause much harm, but those who have constant exposure and infections (teachers especially) are having major health problems. It’s barely mentioned outside of science papers.
I am not knowledgeable enought to know if this is a lot or not but it seems low to me. I have faith that my government would do something if the situation was bad.
Edit: Okey so they have stopped publishing weekly reports about covid and will only resume them if the epidemiological situation changes for the worse. Which is the right thing to do in my opinion.
You guys have benefits to protect you, if you get sick. Americans barely get sick leave, medical bills are ridiculous, and if covid leaves you crippled, SSI (Disability) pays a whopping $11k a YEAR. It’s not enough to survive on, despite paying taxes. Yeah, someone might have worked enough hours to get SSDI, which is a few dollars more an hour, but still not enough to cover rent.
Agreed, we hate it too. Can’t afford to stay home, can’t afford to see a doctor.
When I was living in Canada, my partner needed to go to the ER and get a blood clot removed. We were seen by a doctor within 45 minutes and the bill for a non-citizen on visa was $250. After we moved to the US, it happened again. It took 3 WEEKS, 2 referrals, and over $14k for the same procedure. Capitalism is cruelty.
I am not a vaccine sceptic but I am curious as to why America still vaccinates everyone for Covid. In Sweden we haven’t cared for many years about getting vaccinated and it hasn’t been a problem. The vaccine is available to get if you need it. But it’s not something we collectively vaccinate for any more.
Cant speak for the US, but in general, Covid is still more dangerous during the acute infection than the flu and also causes much larger numbers of post-viral sequelae. Those are all potential reasons to recommend the vaccine, which can reduce the severity of both
I’m Swedish, live in France.
Here: vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate, in Sweden : meh do whatever.
Also Swedish people: hello neighbor please you’re only 5 meters away from me it makes me uncomfortable.
In the meantime in France: Hello friends and neighbours, kiss kiss kiss kiss!
On a more serious note, Sweden had the medical capacity that France didn’t have, which is one of the big reasons in the very different response to the pandemic in those two countries.
Same in Germany. Last year I asked some people who got vaccinated if they think I also should get another shot and all of them told me that I’m not in a vulnerable group (or a caretaker) so I shouldn’t bother. So we basically repeat what we know from the normal flu (influenza) and just vaccinate vulnerable people. I’m not sure if this is the best way to do it, because I think many people die each year of the flu as well. However, death statistics are hard and I couldn’t find any reliable data on this either.
US standard policy recommends flu shot for everyone if they can take it.
When I was in college, our choir director told us that the flu vaccine was mandatory – like he couldn’t actually know or enforce it, but we had a duty to the group to do whatever we could to protect each other in that high risk activity. Especially since some of the members were seniors. I thought that was pretty compelling and beautiful, and I got it that year after being hesitant and have every year since.
It very likely has been a problem and is just being underreported.
A single infection often doesn’t cause much harm, but those who have constant exposure and infections (teachers especially) are having major health problems. It’s barely mentioned outside of science papers.
Our health department seems to be releasing weekly reports about the covid situation. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/folkhalsorapportering-statistik/statistik-a-o/sjukdomsstatistik/covid-19-veckorapporter/aktuell-veckorapport-om-covid-19/ That week 10 people died with covid in their bodies. All ten were 65+ years, 7 of them was 80+ years.
I am not knowledgeable enought to know if this is a lot or not but it seems low to me. I have faith that my government would do something if the situation was bad.
Edit: Okey so they have stopped publishing weekly reports about covid and will only resume them if the epidemiological situation changes for the worse. Which is the right thing to do in my opinion.
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You guys have benefits to protect you, if you get sick. Americans barely get sick leave, medical bills are ridiculous, and if covid leaves you crippled, SSI (Disability) pays a whopping $11k a YEAR. It’s not enough to survive on, despite paying taxes. Yeah, someone might have worked enough hours to get SSDI, which is a few dollars more an hour, but still not enough to cover rent.
It’s pretty fucked up that you Americans can not be home when you are sick.
Agreed, we hate it too. Can’t afford to stay home, can’t afford to see a doctor.
When I was living in Canada, my partner needed to go to the ER and get a blood clot removed. We were seen by a doctor within 45 minutes and the bill for a non-citizen on visa was $250. After we moved to the US, it happened again. It took 3 WEEKS, 2 referrals, and over $14k for the same procedure. Capitalism is cruelty.
This is the Danish opinion
The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination. People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population