Everything else aside… What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Nothing. The “emergency order” is entirely so he doesn’t have to go through Congress to do it.
“I can do anything I want if it’s an emergency!”
Dang i wonder if we can find example of emergency powers eroding democracy in the past now…
Not from a jedi…
“And I get to say when it’s an emergency!”
Quickly becoming his go to play. It’s how he pushed through tariffs and how he was able to auto deport all those people. There’s probably more that I’m unaware of but the amount of national emergencies the man has declared so far is kinda crazy
i thought liberal democracies had mechanisms to stop this from happening!
They do, it’s called “voting”. Unfortunately, this “liberal democracy” (which it hasn’t been a true-democracy in over a century) has a large portion of voters that refuse to execute their civil duty as a citizen of a city-state.
Essentially, people want all the benefits of living in a society without putting forth the work required to maintain it. Cracks eventually start to show, corruption leaks in, and that’s how fascism begins to grow in the cellar of Democracy’s home. That’s how we’ve gotten where we are.
But does this type of EO have legal backing?
It’s kind of a case by case basis is my understanding. The president does have pretty broad emergency powers but the courts can block any individual one if they feel it’s overstepping.
Almost like they’re fully comforatble with reckless corruption.
They are fully comfortable with reckless profits. Corruption is just the price to pay.
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Maybe because the dumb fuck instituted tariffs that makes lumber prohibitively expensive? I don’t know. Nothing makes any fucking sense anymore.
Have to urgently circumvent Congress.
What the fuck is so urgent about cutting down forests that you need a emergency order to green-light it?
Replacing timber we previously got from Canada before the screaming from the industries that use lumber that is now tariffed gets too loud.
I don’t know enough about those industries to know if it’ll work, though.
I don’t think we have the sawmill capacity.
and its the forests timber is not even good quality too.
gotta find some work to do for the chauvinist american workers
probably something to distract the masses, from all the federal cuts, and tariffs from the news,
In 200 years people will ask in disbelief why such old forests were logged down.
IM ASKING THAT NOW!!
We know why. Because Trump sees no value in anything beyond being right. He is right to tariff Canada, because the Canadians are mean. And he is right to have national parks stripped bare, because Canada is tariffed. It’s just flawless logic. /s
That’s if the planet survives till then, which at the rate things are going no way we make it that long
The planet will be just fine. I’d wager that life will continue, the earth will still be filled with living creatures for a long time to come.
It just won’t include us. Or most of the things we care about.
I feel bad for all the creatures that we will be taking down with us.
The planet will survive. Humans may not survive, but I’m no longer so sure that’s a bad thing…
Check out where our forests were at at the end of the 1800’s. 90% of the trees in Michigan were gone. All current forests are new growth and under 150 years old here in Michigan.
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An optimist in our midst
The answer is because patriots aren’t willing to defend them by force.
I don’t think we have much of any old growth forests left even before this honestly.
mostly the pacific northwest. where also the giant and coastal redwood is.
Please stop spouting this propaganda. We have less than 2 decades of western white civilisation left. Other continents far less. It’s not helpful and it propagates this hopium and drives people to complacency.
E: your downvotes are as futile as the hopium propaganda. Truth hurts, but sets you free.
People don’t seem to be aware that there are estimates that there could be 1.2 BILLION climate refugees by 2050. And it’s not like they all just decide to migrate in that year.
We think things look fascist now? If we do not stomp out fascism immediately, there’s going to be mass genocide. If people stop being complacent right now, we could do so much better.
I don’t have my hopes up though.
Yep. There this complacent coddling that seems to have happened where people sit on fences for eons
“Let’s wait and see if we really do break 1.5ºC of warming. It’s too early to tell now” “Let’s wait and see if Trump does full Hitler. He’s got a unique style, but so many people voting for him can’t be wrong” “Let’s wait and see if we need to divest our USA interests and our military reliance. They have a difficult moment now, but surely will bounce back. They always have”
In a way, during peacetime, there is a sense of security in that fence sitting, but now, during wartime, it is the thing that costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
We’re in for a really tough ride.
Also, for those interested, there are safe spaces for people who have come off the fence. !collapse@lemmy.ml and !collapse@sopuli.xyz and !collapse@slrpnk.net being the most prominent on Lemmy atm.
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Pointing out imminent collapse is white replacement stuff how exactly? What even could white replacement mean in this context?
Yeah that was my bad, sorry. I misread another comment.
Sorry, sorry, sorry…
All good brother
Damn, that bait is so obvious, a newborn fish just looked at me like I was crazy for thinking it would fall for it.
If you don’t think there’s a significant chance of climate change wrecking modern civilization in the next 20 years, you’re just doing climate denial.
they didn’t say “modern civilization”. they said “western white civilisation [sic]”
edit: and they’re also peddling astrology bs in the rest of the thread so no wonder they’re getting downvoted.
I love that this map still has the Gulf of Mexico.
I hate that this will be done to our national forests. They’re a natural treasure and should be protected for so many reasons.
Remember: a can of expanding foam can disable most any vehicle when sprayed in the right places.
Do chainsaws still snap and maim their wielders when they hit rebar in trees?
They sure do! And they still ruin expensive lumber mill equipment. Just a few trees can make an entire logging job unprofitable and not worth the risk.
Bonus, it’s a felony to spike a tree, so you’d qualify for being president as well!
How do you put rebar in a tree tho? Purely hypothetical
Hypothetically, I would look up how to do it.
But, if I had to make something up on the fly, I would get a length of rebar and cut it in half at an angle so you get two equal lengths spikes, then I would find out what size trees are most likely to be targeted in a logging campaign, then climb up to that height on the tree and hammer them in.
Hypothetically.
Thank you! Hypothetically.
A pound of sugar in a gas tank is also an option.
All these vehicles have fleet keys. No one is worried about someone stealing a logger
“Emergency orders” designed to protect this country in case we’re attacked are being used by presidents to sidestep the constitutional as it regards separation of powers. It’s about time this shit came to an end also.
If everything is an emergency then nothing is our you simply cannot govern.
I guess America needed a declaration of emergency in domestic timber supply, caused by the declaration of an emergency of having friends as trading partners for timber 🦫…
So many emergencies - we’re being attacked on all sides… by industrialists.
Lmao putting a nail in a tree is ‘eco-terrorism’
Fuck this country
Truly we’ve always been the baddies. It’s been a capitalist hellscape from day dot, and that is not an exaggeration.
Ooh, I was picturing something quite large and chonky. This makes sense!
Thanks for the tip!
Not happy with destroying our society anymore. Now they have to physically destroy our country.
This is what happens when you allow conservatives to have control.
I’d ask Americans to make better decisions going forward, but we all know that isn’t happening.
RIP.
Conservatives, as in, conserving our portfolios and self preservation.
It’s an emergency!! We need lumber for… Things. Quick!
Shipping it to Gaza to build his casinos, resorts and condos for his Russian buddies. Israel is just about done genociding so the shipments have to start soon.
The Gaza Riviera.
I wouldn’t go anywhere near it. Those luxury condos, resorts, hotels, and casinos that Kushner has been negotiating for since immediately after Oct 7, are going to be prime targets for terrorism for YEARS, and I won’t be sorry about it at all.
The entire region is going to be a heavily militarized zone. That’s a fun vacation.
What’s the emergency? Climate change isn’t catastrophic enough yet?
It’s so the US can build more vacant houses.
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While we all ignored our local and county elections, while we ignored our neighborhoods and “avoided conflict” by only attacking other leftists for not being pure enough
there are plenty of blue states, blue counties, etc. this sure as hell isn’t an ‘all of us’ problem.
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do you remember when in minecraft you chopped down a forest for wood and didn’t replant it? remember how you had to go to triple the distance to find another one, wasting even more time?
Not sure they won’t be replanted, but a 600 year old redwood looks a bit different than a 5 year old pine tree.
This motherfucker wants to clear cut the boundary waters. All these special areas destroyed because they’re not a beach side golf course or some tacky casino.
Keep his cheeto dust fingers away from BWCA.
Just 1 more Walmart and America will be perfect
“I think that I now understand what he is up to. He is plotting to become a Power. He Has a Mind of Metal and Wheels; and He Does Not Care For Growing Things.”
“Come, my friends. The Ents are going to war. It is likely that we go to our doom.”
And then the ents kicked ass. They just fuckin’ showed up basically on a whim, by themselves, and ripped Isengard a new asshole.
Guaranteed way to speed up climate change
Well it is an Emergency, we gotta hustle
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