• @boonhet@lemm.ee
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    151 day ago

    Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say “come work at” I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol

    * Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don’t use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.

      • @boonhet@lemm.ee
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        113 hours ago

        Apparently it’s only good if you get good grants and scheme around with the money.

        According to this professors and above make pretty good money for Tartu cost of living, assuming you’re not trying to support an entire family on a single salary.

        Really, it’s a place you could move to for the vibes, but it won’t be the best place to make money.

  • @sudoer777@lemmy.ml
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    I have a friend here in the US who is on a visa and is planning on leaving the US after undergrad and doing grad school in Europe somewhere

  • @xye@lemm.ee
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    Makes me very sad because of course brain drain is inevitable under the circumstances, but selfishly I worry for my families future without them. We can’t afford to get out. Many of us didn’t have the opportunities to become someone who could leave the country in any capacity, let alone now. Just…please if you’re considering this, remember who you’re leaving behind that aren’t the Trump sycophants. I know it’s not your job to fix anything. But if you’re moving to some place because it’s more equitable, I would find it extremely hypocritical that you would be contributing to inequality yourself by doing so.

    And, if you’re still not convinced, think about this. This ad is specifically for Finland. That’s a country that just joined NATO because it rightfully fears Russian aggression. But now NATO isn’t a reliable alliance, and Europe will be scrambling to create its own defensive pact. Finland is one of the most immediately vulnerable in this gap however - so, if you move there and Russia comes knocking, when does the running stop? Do you now stay in Finland or do you just keep running?

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      Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.

  • @F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world
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    392 days ago

    This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there

    Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        119 hours ago

        except they need the same experts to maintain nukes, Nukes have a “expiration date”, they want it to mostly become like russia, where all the money goes to oligarches.

    • @xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      152 days ago

      well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
      the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….

      i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?

      • @parrhesia@sh.itjust.works
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        142 days ago

        It’s kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It’s depressing but it worked lol.

      • @WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
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        42 days ago

        I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.

        • @tbs9000@lemmy.world
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          220 hours ago

          It’s worth noting, keeping your citizenship means paying US federal income taxes, regardless of where you live and work.

    • @fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPM
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      112 days ago

      The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.

  • @Zink@programming.dev
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    222 days ago

    This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.

    But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

    • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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      our 4-year university, actually state is actually suffering from low-enrollment issues, its getting so serious as of recently they have slash faculty and “less important classes”: and the faculties getting canned said it was “birth rates”, i was commenting on the sub, said it was HCOL, and low job prospects.

      many state Uni in our area also have big problems too. its likely stemmed from covid, where everyone had a shitty education from classes being online only, cant really learn anything if you cant ask in person questions. although i think covid just unmasked systemic issues going before the pandemic. ive seen disasstisfied reviews on yelp going back 2016. i was curious after graduation if any universities had yelp reviews they all did.

  • @Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    322 days ago

    My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.

    She’s fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We’re starting to look into options though.

    • @tbs9000@lemmy.world
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      120 hours ago

      Healthcare in the US is terrible, but part of that is how much providers can charge. Healthcare providers aren’t able to charge as much in communities where it’s considered a basic human right. If she practices outside the US her earnings will probably not be as high - and thats even considering the insurance healthcare providers need to carry to account for lawsuits.

      • @Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        118 hours ago

        The biggest problem in the US is how the insurance companies insert themselves between the doctor and patient, and tell you what services you’re allowed to receive without even being in the room for the diagnosis.

    • @fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.comOPM
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      College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it’s for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.

    • @Revan343@lemmy.ca
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      122 days ago

      Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is

        • @Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          22 days ago

          We interact with people from numerous Spanish speaking countries as part of an intern program, and the one thing every new group says is how funny each other’s slang sounds to the rest of the group. She might have a rough month or two, but then I think it would be fairly smooth after that.

        • @tempest@lemmy.ca
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          32 days ago

          I mean English is sorta the science lingua franca so I imagine most of the technical words would be lone words if they showed up in a paper first.

  • @CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
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    Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.

    Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.

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      It’s like someone wished for more European defense spending but to the monkey’s paw

      The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share, not because we want to flat out refuse to help or share

      • @mmddmm@lemm.ee
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        233 days ago

        The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share

        Instructions unclear, got weapons to defend against the US instead…

        Suddenly nobody wants an F-35 anymore.

  • TacoButtPlug
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    52 days ago

    This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like… I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I’m ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

    • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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      120 hours ago

      ive seen alot of job listing requiring some bioinformatics training, something the university dont warn people about, aside from the wet lab experience you need before graduating.

  • sillyplasm
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    52 days ago

    I wouldn’t mind moving to canada since I’m really close to the border anyway. it would be like nothing happened almost