Belief is a choice, not fact. It’s fair to hate a person for choosing bigotry.
The CEO of Nestlé has gone on record saying that he believes that all water sources should be privatized.
So, to answer your question, yes.
Though there are a plethora of stronger reasons to hate the CEO of Nestlé.
Yes, horrible beliefs make a person horrible.
but No, I don’t hate someone just because they are horrible. Horribleness is not an immutable property. People are horrible because they lack the ethical skills to be better, and those ethical skills can be taught, including the ability to examine and reject horrible beliefs.
I used to think that believes really don’t matter as long as the person doesn’t act on it, but almost all believes shape who we are. It starts with little comments and evolves into actions. It doesn’t have to be that way if people acknowledge harmful ideas, but if you let someone believe that women are worthless or that their race makes them superior for long enough they will become a bad person.
Before 2016, for example, we used to ignore a lot of conservative blustering as just political posturing or not worth attention because they could never do anything about it. Then Trump takes office and suddenly everyone with these shitty beliefs feels empowered to act on them.
People who have shitty beliefs are just waiting for those beliefs to be validated by someone in power so they can quit masking and act on them.
Yes, your beliefs shape how you act, so shitty beliefs will make you a shitty person. Not shitty all the time, but shitty often enough that anyone can point at the person and see it’s mainly due to the belief.
Some examples: racists, fascists, ancaps
Are they still horrible people if they’ve been brainwashed by conservative propaganda all their life?
‘horrible’ is not a useful metric for human beings. It’s entirely subjective. If you want to define it as their net impact on the world (still pretty vague), then yes - negative actions are not counterbalanced by hypothetical good intentions
Yes. The person might be able to change, but at the moment, they’re horrible.
I think it’s actions that make a person horrible. You can believe what you like, but as long as you keep those thoughts sealed up in that fetid dome of yours, we’re cool.
If you believe that any human being deserves lesser treatment or fewer rights than their peers, you’re a horrible person. But you aren’t irredeemable and you can become a not horrible person.
Well, yesterday a cashier decided it was a good idea to tell me, a hippie looking transwoman, that she’s not racist, but what is Turkey doing in European football? And yeah she immediately crossed that threshold and went on my asshole list.
Of course I can come up with a gazillion excuses for why she said that. She doesn’t know our own history. She doesn’t know geography. She’s just trying to fit in to her social group. I can go on and on. But still, what she is saying is damaging on a purely racist basis. She is old enough to realize that.
However, I wouldn’t use the word hate. I know what you mean, and that’s what I am responding to rn, but I don’t genuinely want to hate anyone. Hate is more corrosive to the vessel than that which it is poured upon.
The history of pillaging and raping Serbians for 500 years? Or the part where Turkey’s land mass only covers about 3% of European territory?
Wat
History
Ionian Revolt, if we are just shouting historic events at each other?
Most people can change their beliefs. However, we don’t always have the time, and we aren’t ever obligated to entertain stupid beliefs.
Well, yeah, a fascist is a horrible person, and so on. But I don’t think “horrible person” is a particularly useful or meaningful category. I don’t care if you’re a good or bad person; I care what you’re doing, what effect you have on other people and on society at large, and if the answers to those questions are negative, is there anything that can be done about it? If a fascist can be reformed, then we should do whatever we can do make that happen. If they’re a lost cause, well… I like to believe that no one is a completely lost cause. The solution if someone is truly a lost cause is not particularly nice or humane.
I had a friend who was a great friend in so many ways, she was clever and very helpful when I needed anything, also would ask me for the same when she needed help. She told me once that it’s way better to kill someone else, than yourself, because then you have time to repent before you die. What a horrible belief! But it’s not like she actually went around killing people, it was hypothetical.
I don’t have the answer but the belief did not make her act in any terrible way.
Hate someone for their actions.
Be suspicious of people for their beliefs.
Avoid people if their beliefs are so concrete and premeditative that you believe they will turn their bad beliefs into actions.
Holding a belief and acting on said belief are very different things.
There are crazies who believe certain types of people they don’t like should be exterminated, but so long as they don’t act on those beliefs I don’t consider it horrible or immoral.
Actions make a person horrible. Beliefs lead to a person’s actions. So if one holds horrible beliefs, it’s likely they will perform horrible actions — thus a horrible person.
The “hate the sin, not the sinner” is nonsense. I can absolutely hate the sinner if an action they commit is immoral, unethical, and/or damages other people. However, there are very few people in this world that I would say I hate.
What about Darth Vader
