- cross-posted to:
- fediverse@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- fediverse@lemmy.ml
A very detailed article about the whole Meta (Instagram/Threads) vs. Fediverse discussions. It’s a long read, but well-worth it if you’re interested in the subject.
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People act like facebook isn’t a hellspawn of far right hatred, fascism, and general stupidity in all of it’s glorious forms. I’m just fine with my instance defederating them because Im just fine with not seeing posts from Moms for Liberty, or proud boys, or ivermectin treatments, or whatever the fuck goes on over there now a days. If I wanted to see facebook shit, I’d go to fuckin’ facebook wouldn’t I? It has little to do with corporate or not corporate.
Just yesterday i was seeing this comment by one of the Calckey maintainers. pasting here for the lazy the relevant bit:
Okay, if your community can’t survive Meta using ActivityPub, then it doesn’t deserve to exist.
I frankly cannot fathom how can somebody be so blind to how odious it is. And yeah, when called up on it he also fell into “But the protocol!” arguments, which seems to be the take people holding the pro-Meta arguments are holding. They just don’t realize that this is not a technical problem but a social one, it’s not about the marvelous internet machine, but about the people that rely on it. Like Treebeard said, “a mind of metal and wheels”.
That sounds like a very naive view on part of that developer. He probably never heard of Microsoft’s „Embrace, extend, and extinguish“ approach. This is going to be similar with Facebook. They have a lot more resources than all current instances combined and can provide a much better user experience. They are going to be the main instance on the federated network slowly starting to extend it and support features others lack. Making it a unique selling point until it’s too late.
And that’s not even looking at the moral/ethical standpoint of getting involved with Meta.
Not convinced by the e-mail analogy rebuttal. There are plenty of small e-mail providers thriving alongside the giants. Nothing is stopping you today from paying your friendly local business or association to host a mailbox for you. Of course self-hosting e-mail is an absolute pain, but that’s because most e-mail sent is spam, the drastic blocking is just needed. Similarly if the Fediverse sees any kind of meaningful adoption, preemptively blocking small instances will just be needed to crack down on spam.
I’m cautiously optimistic about Meta adopting Activitypub for their new platform. It might signal enough interest to make other smaller (and more trustworthy!) actors follow suit and set up their own platforms or Mastodon instances.
If I run my own instance, I can choose who I share with and who I don’t.
The simple fact of the matter is that I don’t want my data to be Zucc’d, and clearly I’m not the only one who thinks that way.
That’s why the response has been so negative. Every instance that federates with another stores a complete copy of the posts and comments from every federated user.
If the majority of instances do not defederate from a Meta instance, that Instance will inevitably become the primary destination for discussion, even between and by non Meta-Instance based users, just because the communities in that Instance will be so large and active.
Meta will then have carte blanche to collect data on a huge collection of users from outside their own Instance.
Fuck that.
I want something different away from that crowd. I want a community of nice people that get along. I want to get away from Facebook, meta, and all. They just suck the soul out of everything
To quote myself from an earlier thread:
It’s probably a good idea to limit/defederate with this when it shows up, as it’s a vector for EEE and Meta will be doing the usual data collection shit they do with their users, but now with Fediverse users as well. They just got hit with a big fine for violating the GDPR.
I would be ok with allowing federation until they (inevitably) cause problems.
- Push Ad spam: Defederated
- Allow hate groups and blatant disinformation to spread: Defederated
- Try strong-arming changes to the fediverse?: Believe it or not - Defederated
I’d like to be able to easily keep in touch with friends and family members. Because many of them are less technical, they haven’t adopted federated technologies like Mastodon; they either tried it and bounced off, or are so confused/intimidated by the new thing that they refuse to try it at all.
As a result, I either have to make a Facebook account to connect with them, or else be okay with only talking to them in person, SMS, or phone calls. This is not so different from a future world in which Meta is federated, and everyone else blocks them: in that world, I’d still have to make an account on the Meta instance, or else only talk to those folks offline.
So our choices then are either to a) federate and risk the rest of the network, b) defederate but make secondary accounts on their instance to talk to those less tech savvy folks in our lives, or c) cut ourselves off both technically and socially (at least as far as the internet is concerned)… and none of those feel like great choices.
I feel like the only real answer is that we need to get higher quality, more accessible, better polished Fediverse tools into the hands of those people who today only understand Facebook, and that’s a really high bar. How do we make it easier for our less techy parents, friends, etc. to join smaller, more privacy-focused instances, or even have their own instances, without having to think about, frankly, much of anything at all? Because that’s the proposition of Facebook for them right now: it’s easy, it just works, it has all the features they need, and they don’t have to think about it or put any work into it at all.
For instance: Mastodon is a good start, but so many people trip over the “pick a server” bit. One suggestion I’ve seen is to be able to send server invites, so I could click a button on my instance and send an email to my mom with a link inside that takes her straight to account setup on my instance and all she has to do is pick a username and password and install the app. That could still be even simpler (e.g. could there be an app install link that somehow pre-configures the app with a target instance, and sign up takes place within the appln first launch?) but at least it gets past one of the big apparent stumbling blocks of federation right up front.
