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The next generation of script kiddies is going to be iPad babies. It’ll be interesting to see, since the majority can’t use anything in tech unless it’s an app.
We built computer labs in schools, to teach kids how to use computers. Then we decided computers are ubiquitous enough that we didn’t need computer labs anymore. And now we have an entire generation that doesn’t know how to use computers, because they use their phones and tablets for everything instead.
I also blame Apple and their walled garden approach to software
A lot of schools have Chromebooks too. You’re not doing any serious business, CAD, Photoshop, or programming there.
ChromeOS has a full Linux VM. Maybe schools disable it though.
I have a feeling that the OS in question here is Windows. Not as bad as Apple’s walled garden, but similar results.
I grew up with windows and it’s sloppy implementation of a lot of things is a big reason why I got into computers because it let me fuck around with things under the hood easily. I remember messing around with the registry to do things that you couldn’t edit in the settings guis.
Have you tried Linux or the BSDs? Having spent a lot of time on Linux and Windows, the former feels like a well oiled machine with many fine tuning screws, while the latter feels like a rusted old trunk that needs a crowbar to get anything done.
Of course, Windows being so janky for power user stuff made Linux a lot easier for me to pick up in comparison
I don’t want to hear that Apple was right. “What’s a computer?” What isn’t these days?
I forgot how much I hated that commercial. And I hate even more that it was ahead of its time.
I forgot that ad and had to look it up. It’s pretentious and annoying as hell.
I wonder who is going to write the apps in the future.
Chatgpt, of course…
and they’re going to be precisely as nonsensical as those AI articles are
sure, you can get good output from LLMs, but companies are absolutely not going to bother putting in the effort to do so, as not putting in effort is the entire point.
it’s at least nice to know that corporations will enshittify themselves out of existence, while one guy living in a basement will silently release something they poured their soul into and it sells 5 billion copies in the hour
AI for the heavy lifting, some poor overworked freelancer overseas fixes issues and refines, and then maybe, mayyyybe a domestic review team of senior coders for pen/security testing.
!remindme 2030
“AI”
People wrote software before there’s was computers for them to grow up with. They’ll be able to develop these skills in university’s, colleges, coding courses or online.
I grew up prior to the app world. My exposure to computing during highschool was word, excel, access and once we used PowerPoint. Nothings changed, people are only taught what the teachers know.
I started from a similar background in school. Learning from books in the library and coding on a sheet of paper. Opportunities to get that in a real computer was hard to come by. Some teachers helped by pitching in to get me a few hours in the school lab. Those who like it start learning well before the resources become available. You don’t need to wait till UG to gain those skills.
That said, how often do you see kids these days using a real general purpose computer suitable for coding? Like a desktop or laptop? Not phones, Chromebooks or tablets. In fact, it’s bewildering these days to see programming tutorials start with a statement saying that you need such a device. It was a given, back in the day. And the other stories here don’t paint a good picture.
It’s probably the same amount as before. More phones and tablets haven’t had a big effect on the amount of general purpose computers. There’s devices today like raspberry pi and Arduino that fill the same niche as older general-purpose computers.
Your assume things are different and must be worse. This is a take old as time. Socrates complained about the youth no longer taking the studies as serious as his generation did. The world would have fallen into complete chaos if it were ever true. It’s the conservative myth that things were better and can only get worse.
These kids accessing websites that tell you that a general purpose computer is needed, would have to rely on textbooks and magazines to get the same information in the past. A much bigger barrier, even identifying which ones you need.
He eventually found the executable by Googling for it online and is now part of a botnet.
Happy ending then I take it
Then created a GitHub account to post three separate issues complaining about how the project’s executable is an obvious Trojan, patting themself on the back for keeping the community safe with their expert sleuthing.
about how the project’s executable is an obvious Trojan
Which I bet was only obvious to him when Norton Antivirus told him
This reads like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycLpMlC3O4o (5 second film)
Skill issue tbh
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I am a full-time software developer and everytime I need to merge or rebase, I Google the commands… just in case
I hate git and all it’s unintuitive commands.
If it helps, even devs have problems following the install instructions.
It could be for a lot of reasons. Usually it’s because it’s open source and we can’t test it for every possible configuration. Or we are just trying to code, not deal with the dozen other setups.
Me in particular, all my application projects don’t include node versions, and assume Linux. Even I forget that sometimes if I’m loading a old project and suddenly it doesn’t build, and I have to futz around for an hour eupdating packages.
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I try to write documentation/instructions for dummies, because often, I’m the dummy when I have to dig back into the code again after not touching or thinking about it in months or years.
my application projects don’t include node versions
Well, that’s just a better security stance against supply-chain attack right there.
If it makes you feel even better, I’m a software engineer and I had lots of trouble learning to use GitHub and git, it’s embarrassing to admit it but I’m super glad I learned!
Git isn’t properly taught. I’ve studied programming both in college and in a boot camp, and both times they rushed right over git, showing only the bare essentials. This left me unprepared for the real world. I didn’t know how to do basic stuff like exclude files or even undo changes.
It’s so complex, they really should have a separate class for it.
Do you have a proper good tutorial to recommend?
I like the git katas which go along with Johan Abildskov’s book Practical Git. I recommend the book, but you don’t need it in order to do the katas.
Same. I learned about the ‘releases’ section only recently thanks to some kind Lemmy user (kinder than some I’ve seen on Lemmy and reddit discussing this same image, some people are openly supporting gatekeeping of software).
Just pull!
“why doesn’t this python command line script have an executable ui?”
Why is this executable web UI distributed as a python script?
Why do I have to have python installed in order to use it? Why don’t you bundle all the dependencies with the download?
Closed as resolved
five years later
i found this through google search and it says it’s resolved but there’s no information what the problem was and all of the links don’t work anymore
Locked thread and restricted to contributors
link is actually experts exchange and you have to register just to see the answer
Expert sexchange, you say?
links to 11 year old thread for tangentially related Windows Vista problem, locks current thread
It’s a command line tool. If you don’t know how to install it despite having the instructions, you don’t know how to use it too.
From someone in computer networking classes: “I don’t use GitHub. This is too complicated” Like bruh. The instructions are right there in the readme.
There’s also the time where we were asked to read temperature from a sensor, and everyone went straight to chatgpt. Meanwhile, first search result, full repo with full noob instructions.
Is chatgpt the default starting point for inexperienced / early career/ students now?
As a CS student, yes absolutely. These people then complain about paper exams and when the code gets complex enough for the AI to make mistakes. I’ve seen a few people drop out in programming 2, and my web 1 class was decimated because we were doing more than leetcode exercises. It’s a real problem that so many people are using it as a crutch.
I’m not a developer but I write a lot of code for network infrastructure automation… when I started learning I was already a network engineer so I figured it would be a cakewalk. I think it takes a certain type of person (patience, persistence, tenacity, etc) to excel in a computer science field. I’d reckon a lot of young people think the jobs are all pretty sweet and cushy
Computer networking was the most complicated class I took. How can GitHub be too complicated compared to the class? Or is it a non low level computer networking class?
This is literally the third year of the diploma. This is not even source control. This is literally installing the software provided with the instructions provided
But as I seen both, networking is easier than programming IMO. Networking is mostly knowing a lot of things to be able to reuse that knowledge Programming is actually creating things and solutions to problems, and is more complicated, at least for me. But I still prefer it as I actually feel mentally challenged (pun intended)
My personal issue with github is more the placement of the actual download links, sometimes its harder to find than the real download button on a dodgy pirate site without ad-block.
It ain’t called git-hub for nothing. The social network for gits. How else are they supposed to behave?
I’m pretty sure this is aimed at websites that have a “download” or “get x now” link on their website that just takes you to a git hub page with no obvious download section. It isn’t uncommon, and it can be frustrating. At the very least, it’s a bad user experience.
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The medium internet user doesn’t even know what git is, so I think it is very likely that a lot of people don’t understand the way github works and are very upset by how “difficult” it can be to get an installer from it.
We’ve all felt this at least once be honest with yourself.
I still do sometimes. Wish they release a build so I don’t have to download all the dependencies and learn how to use a new program to build the damn thing
If you’re talking about the repo in the screenshot, it’s a python script, so a binary release is going to be fun.
If you’re talking about GitHub in general, you can download binaries from releases, if they’re provided.
The chair OOP posted from
WTF is this?! Who uses this stuff? How can you treat children like that?
Look at that grin. Those straps are for YOUR protection
It’s to prevent a small child from falling arse-first into the crapper and causing a blockage.
Not required. There are seat size adapters using 80% less plastic to do the same thing. Without strapping your kid to the toilet.
The problem with github isn’t really a problem. It’s just accessible enough to borderline tech people who want a one click solution to a problem. They can find it, but using it requires more skill than they have. It’s a code repository, not an app store. The most useful things I find on github aren’t from some massive app developer, they’re from some guy who happened to have the same problem as me. Rather than screaming at that guy for an executable, level up. Learn something.
I mean I code extensively and it still pisses me off they kind of don’t make the “download zip” more prominent or explain to noobs that this isn’t compiled/ plug n play…nor are most of the apps for Windows users, really.
GitHub adding releases was the real UX mistake.
Anything outside of code repository stuff is outside their lane.
Start a new startup or something to solve that problem. Too late now that it’s under Microsoft.
Gatekeeping OSS is a thing now?
Maybe I’m misunderstanding… but are you saying GitHub, the corporate entity acquired by Microsoft for 7.8 billion dollars 6 years ago, is a champion of the free and open software movement and that needs some rando on the Internet to stand up for it?
People have lived through many cycles of Microsoft doing this shit. They don’t deserve defending.
Maybe I misunderstood your comment. I’m talking from the layman’s perspective looking for a stable build of whatever the software is.
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Anything outside of code repository stuff is outside their lane
" sounds like you’re talking about non-technical users when that was the context of the original comment. I understand what you mean now though, and I somewhat agree.
I have to say that I absolutely love the title this man chose to share his anger.
The machine spirit requires that you submit the correct incantations
The thingmabob that does the job is bippity-boppity-boo.
You guys realize this was on a joke community, right? Most of the original comments missed it too…
r/github is a joke community?
At this point r/ itself is a joke community.
The original text was not on github.
Saw it on copypasta yesterday. It’s possible this is an old screenshot and I could’ve seen the repost.
EDIT : seems I’m wrong and this is just an old picture.
Good find. I guess this is an old picture.
The post was made 3 days ago. The picture is of this exact post. It’s not exactly old
I took the screenshot before the post was even locked, you can also find a comment by me on that thread.
Yes, I think that most of us realized from some of the self-aware wording that this is a parody. But like many parodies it’s a real trope taken to a silly extreme, so we’re talking about users who fit that trope (including ourselves, sometimes!).
pyinstaller and py2exe would’ve been helpful for this person
Probably Tylenol as well
Ahahahah
