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RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

‘A race against time’: Taiwan strives to root out China’s spies

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‘A race against time’: Taiwan strives to root out China’s spies

www.theguardian.com

RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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As Beijing has increased its efforts to recruit Taiwanese people, the number of spying cases has risen
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  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    I love how westerners consider political capture of a rogue province of Taiwan by US cool and normal. Just imagine how much foaming at the mouth there would be if Russia started backing a separatist government in Texas. I mean libs are still losing their shit over the made up Russiagate conspiracy, so I guess we don’t have to imagine.

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      Taiwan isn’t exactly a rogue province. It’s the holdover of the prior government of China that lost the revolutionary war and retreated there.

      It doesn’t entirely invalidate the point, but it has to be said that the situation is markedly different from the one with Texas.

      It’s more like if Texas overthrew the US government in a violent rebellion and the UK worked to support the holdover of the old US government that retreated to Puerto Rico.

      Nothing that happened since has invalidated truly the right of Taiwan to remain a sovereign state. It’s in no sense a rogue province.

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        Taiwan is literally a rogue province, and it’s recognized as being part of China by the UN and vast majority of countries around the globe. Taiwan has never been a sovereign state and it never will be one. You don’t have to take my word for it though, here’s what US state department has to say on the subject:

        The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means.

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          You got this completely flipped, China is a rogue province that should be recognized as being part of Taiwan. The current Chinese government holds too much power so it is in their trading partners’ best interests to not doubt China’s sovereignty. Once China’s competitiveness in global trade weakens and their government is toppled, the rest of the world should push to relocate the taiwanese government inside mainland China.

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              I prefer to let liberals be wrong about things, this is some brainworms

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          “Taiwan never has been a sovereign state”

          I guess the Republic of China never existed?

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    I always find it silly how Westerners have no grasp of reunification in a non-military manner.

    In the same way say, France and Germany might have a unified economy or Canada and the US might have a unified culture, it’s entirely possible to maintain legislative and/or budgetary independence under a unified front. In fact, that’s already more-or-less true of China’s governments: the proportion of government spending at the federal level is only 15% of all government spending. This includes spending for defence, science & technology, public security, public services, education, and diplomacy.

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      Yeah, because that worked so incredibly well in the past. Just look what a great time the Tibetans had. How Hong Kong is flourishing. Tell me more about Chinas great track record when it comes to honouring it’s regions independence.

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        These Tibetans, that’s what you’re seriously trying to argue here? 🤡 https://www.historicly.net/p/tibet-china-and-the-violent-reaction

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          Nice article, thanks for sharing!

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            👍

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      Point of order; being strongly pro-Taiwan/anti CPC is as Reddit as it gets, whereas Lemmy, which was founded by Leftists booted off of Reddit (I mean it’s lemmy.ml for Marxist-Leninist, etc.) is not traditionally a place that’s going to focus on mainstream western perspectives of China.

      Not even wading into the actual debate here, just figured I should note that

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      For whomever decided that this should be buried, this is not Reddit. Your downvotes have no power here.

      Ackchyually, we can delete your comments should, we choose to.

      One China | United States policy

      • The United States did not explicitly state the sovereign status of Taiwan in the three US-PRC Joint Communiqués of 1972, 1979, and 1982.
      • The United States “acknowledged” the “One China” position of both sides of the Taiwan Strait.
      • U.S. policy has not recognized the PRC’s sovereignty over Taiwan;
      • U.S. policy has not recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country; and
      • U.S. policy has considered Taiwan’s status as unsettled.
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      Tell me you live in a fantasy land without telling me that you live in a fantasy land

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      Fuck the imperial core.

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