I’d kill for an IDE on macOS that uses the native UI. I guess my hot take when it comes to GUI applications is: respect the platform you’re running on. Your core codebase should be separate from the UI in a way that the application looks like it was written by Apple on macOS, Microsoft on Windows, Google on Android, etc.
I could go on forever about this but some examples:
VS Code, Microsoft Word, Excel, etc all lose their minds and crash when moving a file while it’s open on macOS, a limitation that doesn’t exist in UNIX-based file systems. Did they port some FAT/NTFS driver somehow? You also can’t Command + Click the title of the document to pull it up in Finder.
Firefox, while I love it to death looks like a clunky Windows application
Oh yeah, Google Chrome looks way off too
GIMP looks like GTK because it is GTK on macOS, Windows
Electron apps that are just wrappers around websites
And at least as far as Firefox goes I’m running it on gnome and there’s a beautiful theme that makes it look native for it. I’m sure there’s one for windows too if you look.
Firefox is really badly integrated in MacOS. The fn + arrow shortcut doesn’t work, for example, it’s not integrated in the menu system (the menu shortcuts don’t work) etc.
But there is Sideberry, so…
Jetbrains IDEs do a lot of indexing and caching so that operations that normally take a bit are faster. Full text search, find usages, identifying interface usage in duck types, etc.
But the killer feature for me is the refactoring tools. Changing a function signature, extracting an interface, moving code to new files or packages, etc. I pair with folks who use VS Code and its a bit tedious watching them use find and replace for renaming things.
I’ve never been able to benefit from an IDE in a way that make up for how much slower and more bloated they are.
That does sound legit if you have resource limitations. Thankfully I’ve always worked for corporations that hand out MacBook Pros like candy. Normal day for me is having two Jetbrains IDEs open with Chrome, Slack, Zoom, and a dozen containers. Still runs smooth.
Full IDEs kinda suck.
I’d kill for an IDE on macOS that uses the native UI. I guess my hot take when it comes to GUI applications is: respect the platform you’re running on. Your core codebase should be separate from the UI in a way that the application looks like it was written by Apple on macOS, Microsoft on Windows, Google on Android, etc.
I could go on forever about this but some examples:
Entirely agree with this.
And at least as far as Firefox goes I’m running it on gnome and there’s a beautiful theme that makes it look native for it. I’m sure there’s one for windows too if you look.
“I’d kill for an IDE on macOS that uses the native UI.” Possibly dumb question from someone who hasn’t used MacOS for ages: isn’t that what Xcode is?
It sure is, but I write code primarily in Ruby (which it doesn’t really support).
Well shoot. :(
Firefox is really badly integrated in MacOS. The fn + arrow shortcut doesn’t work, for example, it’s not integrated in the menu system (the menu shortcuts don’t work) etc. But there is Sideberry, so…
Some languages really do suck so much they’re all but unwriteable by plain text, and need constant compiler tree parsing to get right.
But that’s an incentive to quit using bad languages. Write in something you can read and write in ed, and you can hold it in your head.
Not arguing either side, but I’d love to hear your reasoning.
A linter a debugger and a clean interface in general are all I need. And most text editors suffice for that.
I’ve never been able to benefit from an IDE in a way that make up for how much slower and more bloated they are.
I’d love to hear what some of the main benefits are though.
Jetbrains IDEs do a lot of indexing and caching so that operations that normally take a bit are faster. Full text search, find usages, identifying interface usage in duck types, etc.
But the killer feature for me is the refactoring tools. Changing a function signature, extracting an interface, moving code to new files or packages, etc. I pair with folks who use VS Code and its a bit tedious watching them use find and replace for renaming things.
That does sound legit if you have resource limitations. Thankfully I’ve always worked for corporations that hand out MacBook Pros like candy. Normal day for me is having two Jetbrains IDEs open with Chrome, Slack, Zoom, and a dozen containers. Still runs smooth.
VS Code absolutely has refactoring built in. Pressing F2 on a token renames it everywhere it’s referenced
Interesting. I’ll have to find some docs and share it with my co-workers because they definitely don’t use build-in refactoring. Thanks!
Huh. I’ve only ever tried jetbrains stuff for about five minutes. Got mad confused and angry and gave up.
I might give it another go. Thanks.
I think they mean xcode.
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I love intellij. The gut Integration and diff utilities alone are worth using it. However, it is so. Fucking. Slow!
Seems fast enough for me. Never really had to wait on the ide for anything
it really struggles with mid sized monorepo (think react libraries managed via NX)