Ten Chinese air force aircraft entered Taiwan's air defence zone on Wednesday accompanying five Chinese warships engaged in "combat readiness" patrols, the island's defence ministry said, the second such incursion this week.
  • @Jesus@lemm.ee
    1•2 years ago

    Lots of suspicious comments in this thread. Seems like political astro-turfing has already arrived on Lemmy

  • @OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
    11•2 years ago

    Goddammit, I do NOT want us to be propping up a war in Ukraine and fighting an actual war with China.

    • @TheRealTurducken@lemmy.world
      1•2 years ago

      Nobody wants to have to defend free and sovereign nations such as Ukraine and Taiwan from agressive expansionist foreign powers like China and Russia. But here we are.

    • @Hadriscus@lemm.ee
      0•2 years ago

      As a french dude, and given our history, I have no choice but to stand against all imperialisms. Claiming a territory against the will of its people is exactly what imperialism is. France has done that for centuries along with most of the european powers of the time. Imperialism is criminal, it is murderous, and profoundly unjust. It is nothing less than colonisation. Just let people live on their own terms.

      • @rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
        0•2 years ago

        Learn what imperialism is FFS. Throwing around words you don’t know the meaning of serves no purpose but to make you appear foolish

        • @Hadriscus@lemm.ee
          0•2 years ago

          If you’d like to try being constructive, you can drop the FFS and follow up with reading advice, for instance, or a bit of your own. It doesn’t have to be long winded, it can just be a couple sentences. This is a good habit to make your own, and replace the waving off with.

      • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
        0•2 years ago

        KMT, that originally fled and established Formosa, now says they want to reunite with China. The opposition is DPP, US puppet party that is squatting as “western neoliberal government”…

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
        0•2 years ago

        Last I checked liberals are all about respecting rules and international law, so we’re just holding you to your own standards here.

  • ArxCyberwolf
    7•2 years ago

    Surprise surprise, Hexbear users came to brigade other instances exactly the way they said they would. Bad actors through and through.

  • @TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
    -110•2 years ago

    Weird. There’s a lot of anti China stories circulating this week. Like maybe they are trying to influence public opinion.

      • @zephyreks@lemmy.ca
        -11•2 years ago

        Shitty things like… Flying within China’s ADIZ that happens to overlap with Taiwan’s ADIZ because Taiwan refuses to use the median line as their ADIZ boundary like China does?

      • NormalC
        -15•2 years ago

        Imperialist??? I think the projection is coming from within the house (the white one)

        • @DakkaDok@lemmy.world
          7•2 years ago

          Good on ya, assuming I’m American (I’m not). Also, classic use of US bad, therefore Russia/China good. Two countries can be overmilitarized imperialists at the same time.

    • zephyrvs
      4•2 years ago

      China discovered that Lemmy exists and sent their bots here, it’s so obvious! No thinking person would ever doubt Western media!!!111

      (Not saying that one empire is better than the other, yadda yadda)

    • NioxicEnglish
      0•2 years ago

      Or maybe its because china is china… lol

      Theres also more heat wave/clinate related news in the summer than in the spring

      • @TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
        -17•2 years ago

        Capitalism and the neoliberalism that supports the aristocratic hierarchy funneling wealth from developing nations is destroying the world. But go ahead, focus on China while the housing crisis and inflation fuels fascism inside western countries destroying them from the inside.

        • @duckington@lemmy.world
          21•2 years ago

          it’s okay to admit both are true lmao. we can have developing fascism in america AND china can be a dictatorship. They’re not mutually exclusive

          • NormalC
            -8•2 years ago

            Developing fascism is the understatement of the century lmao the US has slavery enshrined into the 13th amendment. Henry kissenger is literally still alive.

            When white people do it, it’s “difficult history but ‘workable’” but when China superficially resembles it (taking Chinese history at face value), it’s “unforgivable capitalist dictatorship imperialist empire big brother”

              • NormalC
                -2•2 years ago

                There’s more to China’s political system than “just a dictatorship” but I won’t disagree with you that it’s not a dictatorship if you see one party rule as emblematic of one.

                What I am arguing is that even well intentioned comments like the one I was responding too still misrepresents history and is to the benefit of the American political establishment (that being Washington and its business oligarchs). The person I was responding too wasn’t blatantly wrong, but the diction at use here is deserving of criticism. “Developing fascism” is an easy way to conflate both the Western European fascist culture and aesthetics and the historically unique proto-fascist (before fascism was defined academically) culture of the USA.

                Neoliberal bootlickers like Johnny (“sell-out to the WEF”) Harris exploit this heavily to great effect on large for-profit social media sites: trading historical nuance for sensationalism. This isn’t a moot point it’s whats happening now.

                • @duckington@lemmy.world
                  0•2 years ago

                  Fair enough. I can see how the phrase “developing fascism” might mask the severity of the existing and growing problems within the U.S. To be honest, I wasn’t really aware of such differences, and think that myself and a lot of other people could learn a lot from that message. I’d be happy to discuss what we both think of as Fascism to make sure we’re talking about the same thing.

                  But also, that wasn’t really my main point. I’m not trying to minimize the faults of the US or demonize the Chinese political system. I of course know that there are a lot of forces contributing to the state that it’s in, and that there are a lot of factors that keep it that way. And I’m not even especially criticizing the idea of one-party rule.

                  But the fact is that there are many, varied human rights and freedoms being suppressed in today’s China, and those problems have been perpetuated or worsened under the control and direction of a single dynasty of leaders. I’ve read and watched a lot of accounts of political events in 2021/2022 from people who live inside and outside of China, and I’m forming my opinions on those. Stuff like the inhumane conditions during lockdowns, constant nucleic acid testing, corruption and negligence leading to huge wastes in the housing markets, etc. And I know that a lot of these phenomena were spun up due to how quickly China industrialized as a nation. But too many of them were brought about under the direct orders of Xi.

                  So when people see criticisms of China being challenged, whether or not they disagree with the idea of a dictatorship, they see it as a denial that those injustices are happening. I think more productive than arguing with someone who you perceive to be misunderstanding something, would be to ask them questions, see where their misunderstanding lies, and to offer information or sources that could educate them or help them educate themselves. When you go into the interaction assuming that someone is trying to paint with a broad brush and accuse them as such, then you’re going to get a lot of people to shut down, and then they’ll never receive your message.

            • @Coreidan@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6•2 years ago

              In other words what you’re saying is that because other countries do fucked up shit that means it should be perfectly acceptable when china does it.

              Seems awfully strange to try and normalize shitty behavior.

  • @rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
    -51•2 years ago

    How can a country intrude into its own territory? These separatists need to be put in their places.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
        13•2 years ago

        I love how liberals are only capable of regurgitating a handful of tropes they memorize like the bots they are.

      • @rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
        -24•2 years ago

        -Go back to your Fox News

        -Learn the proper names of things before attempting to engage about them because it only makes you appear foolish to use the wrong acronyms

            • @Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
              2•2 years ago

              Fox News and Russian/CCP media use the same double talk, enemy at the gates, boogie man bad speak. Supporting Russian aggression in Ukraine or Chinese aggression in Taiwan is the as supporting American agression in the middle east. It all has the same stink.

              • @rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
                -6•2 years ago

                Aww, another western conservative who doesn’t know proper acronyms and defends Nazis, how original

                • @Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml
                  1•2 years ago

                  Lol, I went to high school in the years after 911 and had trash thrown at me and had to have a meeting with the principal when I stopped saluting the flag. I felt like everyone lost their minds and were replaced by pod people. If you’re going to make personal attacks, take a bit of time to check the comment history of who you’re insulating. I’ve never once simped for America.

    • @CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml
      0•2 years ago

      So let me get this straight, a group of people overwhelmingly wish to separate, and the government tries to prevent them from doing that, and you don’t think that’s imperialism? I bet you don’t feel the same about separatism in Catalonia, Donbas, Kurdistan, or the Zapatistas. Classic tankie logic: imperialism good when done by purported “communists.”