I can only see this going into a very dystopian path. Based on their actions, I don’t trust these companies, their security practices, nor their privacy policies. Why would I give them my biometrics? And my full palm, at that!? Hell no!
One scar away from losing access to your ability to pay …
Biometrics can not really be changed. Except maybe through time or trauma (i.e. age or injury). They can be used to uniquely(?) identify a person - except maybe twins - at the expense of anonymity, which has it’s own set of problems.
But because they can not easily be changed they’re a terrible security feature. Once they leak, they’re unusable and you’re hosed. You can’t issue a new palm print for your bank account like you could a new chip card and password.
Also, just because you waved your hand over a scanner does not mean that you approve and consent of the transaction. With tap to pay there were ideas of mobile point of sales devices just tapping on peoples backpacks in a crowded area. You don’t even keep your biometrics markers in your pocket, they’re just out in the open for anyone with a camera. This may be bordering on paranoia, but a few years back (2014) German hackers from Chaos Computer Club took iris scans from Angela Merkel (then Chancellor of Germany) and finger prints of Ursula von der Leyen (then Minister of defense) using nothing but press fotos. Cameras have only gotten better.
TL;DR: Biometrics can be used for identification but should never be used for authorisation.
Its hard to believe anyone would use the thing. It’ll be more problematic if/when its used for regulatory purposes. Sort of at the desensitization still. Today.
I had to take a State exam for licensure a few years back. I was told that I had to take a palm/vein scan to prove my identity. I informed her Ive never had one so it could not prove my identity-- but hey, Im the crazy one. Its on a server somewhere now tho… Modernity is pretty stupid, tbh.
Then there’s always the old, “Hey, I’ll cut off this dude’s hand and use it to buy stuff until he runs out of credit – or rigor mortis sets in.”
No, I dont own a hard crypto wallet :3 plz dnt chop
The thing it these readers are so convenient, my only complain is I wish they would work as the password hash technology. But as of right now we don’t know for sure if that machine is saving a “hash” of your palm or is directly saving a copy of the original biometric data that would allow it to “recreate” your biometric ID somewhere else
I dont think its even that convenient! It requires electricity, web connectivity and loads of digital logic. My state ID just tangibly exists.
Makes me concerned for our future. Given we have one, that is.
Naturally. But don’t get black-pilled :] They want us demoralized.
I would probably use it. Sounds convenient, don’t have to take out my phone or wallet.
Most folks probably would. Privacy is often at odds with convenience.
I just don’t subscribe to the slippery slope arguments I am provided when it comes to privacy. I and I suspect most other people just prefer convenience to some hypothetical threat to what I am not sure.
I didn’t know paying in body parts was legal.
It’s a brave new world, it seems
I hope this tech stays where ever the fuck it is and never touches Europe
This is Amazon One. Amazon is rolling it out pretty aggressively in their American grocery stores right now. Looks like it’s moved out of its pilot stage and is getting a national US rollout.
May it die the death of a thousand deaths
Forget about privacy, this is just fucking dumb
One point of failure that can’t be replaced if stolen?
This won’t ever take off, and will most definitely die out quickly in favor of literally any other technique including just embedding an nfc chip and battery to your palm surgically. Which I probably still wouldn’t be thrilled about but
I’ve see where you can pay with your fingerprint at some venders. It’s a similar concept, in terms of single point of failure. Regardless, I hope you’re right.
E: **mostly right. I won’t embed anything in my skin for payments. CC or cash or phone NFC (and I don’t like that one for it’s security implications). That’s it.
Yep exactly, a single point of failure that also can’t be replaced
{At the board meeting}
Alex: “I wonder if we could do this”
Blake: “Maybe we should talk about whether we should?”
[Blake gets thrown out the window]
{Several months later}
Moss: (sees device at a retailer) what the crap? Terrible idea!
I won’t even use phone NFC for payments. Card, cash, or I’m taking my business elsewhere.
I’ve never used phone NFC for payment. I’m with you here.
Body parts aren’t secure. They’re removable.
I like to do this at Whole Foods in front of my anti vax friends and tell them about how cool it is to have a chip that lets me pay by waving my hand.
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Haha sorry, mate. Yeah, I wish it was that. I’d whip mine out real quick.
spreads anus
“Wonder if this works”
A true hacker right here, talk about being a skid 😂
I will forever refuse to do this. That RealID thing or whatever they’re calling it that the government is doing with the face scan gives me nightmares
Same here. It’s called IDme and it’s abysmal
Oh no! I trashed my faithful Palm Pilot ™ years ago :/
I trashed the Pilot. But I still have the Pre and Pixi haha
Well, one of them has Android now…
I still think the idea of tech implants are cool but I’ve also reached the point where I wouldn’t get one unless I learned to build it myself and was in charge of every single aspect of it.
Considering I lack degrees in medicine and computer science, I don’t think I’ll have them done anytime soon lol
My dad who lives in a small village (around 5k people) has his account in a local bank. Nothing really differs this bank from big companies. Theyre just local. So my dad has this axcount and we are in a city nearby and want to do some shopping, spend some money on gear etc. But he looks for cash and its not in car. Then, ofc, he looks for his wallet with all his cards and he hasnt it too. So we are kinda fucked up and going back home and to shops would take an hour. (We were low on gas too.) So he withdraws cash with his fucking hand. Fucking hand. Pretty useful tbh but rather not safe.
Saw this at Whole Foods the other day for the first time and commented to the cashier that it was kind of creepy and her response was “I know right”.
bro, come back to me when most stores accept touch emv payments. lol, like each fucking store is gonna know what to do with a fucking palm scan when emv is fucking forbidden magic.
Haha! Good point. It’s been “mandated” a couple years ago, right? It’s barely anywhere
Interesting regional differences. It’s incredibly rare that I find a store that doesn’t support tap-to-pay
I live in DC and most groceries don’t support it.
Whole Foods wants to use some qr code thing, probably precursor to the palm.
