• The Bard in GreenA
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    -53 months ago

    I, unfortunately, think that would be a good thing. People don’t understand just how powerless and meaningless 3rd parties are and how totally manipulated they are by the existing party structure.

    I say unfortunate, because that’s not ideal. In a functioning democracy, robust 2nd and 3rd tier parties should play a powerful active role in setting policy and be enabled to negotiate from strong positions and form opposition coalitions. But that’s NOT the system we have and voting 3rd party will never make it into a system like that. The system we have is broken and packed with malware written in legalese. 3rd parties are extra processes that do nothing but steal system resources and help the barely functional democratic process to crash.

    • @JillyB@beehaw.org
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      23 months ago

      Bro what?! That is complete mental gymnastics. One of the two dominant parties attempting to block other parties is somehow a good thing for democracy? I get trying to convince people it’s not worth it to vote 3rd party. But saying that one of the parties should be able to make it impossible is crazy.

      • It’s not, though. The last time a third party won a presidential election was when Abraham Lincoln was elected; since then, we’ve had an unchanging two-party system.

        The US system of elections is fundamentally broken in two ways: the existence of the electoral college, and FPTP voting. Both need to be fixed before any third party has a chance to win the presidency, and until then, third parties function primarily as poison pills to draw voters away from one of the two dominant parties without any chance of winning.

        Oh, and primaries suck, too; they’re largely responsible for the phenomenon of Trump, since candidates have to cater to the extremist base to have a chance of winning their party’s nomination. But there’s no good fix for that.

        Anyway, a vote for anything other than your lesser of two evils is simply a wasted proxy vote for the person you hate the most. We have to fix how we vote in the US to have any chance of real change; this is why the person you’re responding to isn’t doing some wild justification - they’re simply recognizing the reality of our fucked-up situation.

    • PP_BOY_
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      43 months ago

      I think most third party voters are single-issue and understand that their vote is more of a protest than anything else. Even in a FPTP, non-ranked voting system, third parties are good for bringing niche concerns to the national discussion and their policies are sometimes co-opted by one of the larger two.