Cruelty towards those who are relatively weaker or indeed defenceless - children, the elderly, partners, animals.
Abusing service / customer-facing staff fits in to this as well and is at once particularly revealing and particularly damning. Next time you’re out and about with friends or a love interest watch how they treat (or talk about) e.g. the person at a ticket booth or the person waiting on tables - if they’re nasty to them (or about them), imagine what they might be like behind closed doors (and how they might treat you one day).
Cutting others off excessively. It’s normal when you’re in a large enough group for there to be some overlap, but some people do it constantly and are only interested in hearing themselves speak. Makes being around them impossible since I often have trouble speaking up anyways.
Edit: I took instantly to mean on first meeting them, so I may have interpreted the question wrong lol
The behavior often indicates they are not very balanced in general and are over expressing themselves kinda like a coping mechanism. If they realize that it is happening, they are probably quite uncomfortable with it too.
I didn’t have issues with stuff like this before I was disabled. After spending most of the last 10 years in near total isolation, I have a hard time shutting up any time anyone is willing to talk with me IRL. The worst part is that I’m usually trying my best to mask my level of pain and I go down hill fast. By the end of an average casual conversation I’m down to half the wit needed to end the conversation gracefully, and my graceful half has already left.
After watching how people dealt with covid isolation, I think I have handled it pretty well. Now I have a lot more empathy for people dealing with this kind of social anxiety. It’s still annoying as hell, even when I am the one doing it, but understanding the condition helps blunt my angst.
Hey, that’s fair. I hadn’t considered that in casting this net I could be catching people who are quite anxious and speaking to fill the silence. Admittedly I am saying this with a handful of specific people I’ve met in mind, and in their particular cases it was more reflective of their narcissistic tendencies than any sort of anxious response, but I realize in retrospect that it can also be coping behavior. I hope I didn’t offend either way, and I’ll keep this in mind in the future.
I am very self aware of this when talking with my friends so I just keep mind notes when I get overwhelmed with ideas.
I do think it’s really okay to speak up there’s something you want to say! I really must stress that I only think its problematic if no one else can actually converse because of them and it’s a chronic thing.
A big part of this can be the family people grew up in. I have a few friends who interrupt constantly because that’s just how their family has conversations.
Capitalist rent-seeking. Feeling entitled to make a profit off doing nothing except buying a resource other people need, because you already have enough money to do this. Maybe “despise a person beyond belief” is a bit strong, but I hate that people do this, and I hate that it’s condoned and even admired in capitalist societies.
If there were no homes to rent, where would people who can’t or don’t want to buy live?
I can’t speak for OP but I think in general the idea that “landlords shouldn’t exist” or whatever doesn’t just stop at eliminating rentals. There is more than enough housing in the US to house everyone here (and probably the world? if not, there’s enough resources to build housing for everyone), and it seems unjust to let people be homeless or exploit their need for shelter due to artificial scarcity.
I like to think that most of us could agree that everyone deserves the dignity of having shelter regardless of what luck life has dealt them, even if we can’t immediately agree on how.
There is more than enough housing in the US to house everyone here
Only if you assume that the entire country is a single market where specific location is largely irrelevant. The places where a lot of housing is available is usually because it’s not where people want to be. Like I could buy a house on main street in the town where my grandparents grew up for <$100,000. But do I want a small house in bumfuck nowhere that doesn’t have any land attached to it and requires significant upgrades and maintenance due to age? No, not particularly, especially because it would either mean a 2+ hour commute to a nearby major city or an entirely remote job.
The abscence of landlords does not preclude the existence of housing. The house would still be there if there wasn’t a landlord attached to it.
You’re ignoring apartment blocks and similar high density developments.
I don’t follow, are you suggesting it’s impossible to own a single apartment in a block? As someone who lives in an apartment I own without owning the entire building, I can tell you that’s definitely false. You don’t need a landlord to make high density housing to work.
So nobody owns the building?
Would imagine it’s an HOA situation.
There’s a company that owns the land, and it’s sole purpose is to maintain the land and common areas of the building. All the units could be individually owned, and that company exists to have a bank account that can pay for repairs/repaints. In this situation I’m describing, while the company would own the building, they have no ability to raise rents, as all the units would be owned by the tenants.
That sounds an awful lot like a landlord. And if no rent is being collected, where is the money for the bank account coming from?
Before landlords we all just lived under trees for shelter from the rain. Cooperative housing doesnt and never existed.
Most of the people I know live in a Housing cooperative. I can’t be assed to fact check but I’ll bet it’s the most common form of housing in Sweden.
Being rude to restaurant servers and retail workers just because you can. Instantly flips my opinion on anyone who does this.
Also people who litter. It’s amazingly selfish.
I love how half the things in this thread are listing whole ass litanies of terrible abuser traits and then going & ALSO LITTERERS. damn can I agree
Despise beyond belief? Hurting animals. Hunting and fishing are fine, I’m talking about kicking puppies type thing
boy do i have a movie for you
almost everyone pays to have animas abused and hurt for them. Thinking, feeling animals. It’s horrifying. And much worse than just kicking puppies.
This one sucks because I think it isn’t unknown, but easy to ignore. The worst thing I’ve seen related to this was the other day. Someone posted a video of a barn during ventilation shutdown for culling pigs and it was one of the most barbaric things I’ve seen. It was like something from a death camp.
tbf you are also having humans abused and hurt for you. Prisons to remove inconvenient people from society, wars over resources and power, and slavery overseas to produce goods at low cost. Even if you go vegan, you’re still complicit in unspeakable crimes against humanity as a member of society.
yeah, but why not do the best you reasonably can to reduce overall harm? That’s literally the definition of veganism
That’s fair. But if that’s your goal, you’d be better off working to end the government subsidies on meat and dairy that exist solely so people will eat more meat, rather than wasting time trying to eliminate every bit from your own diet. If we managed to remove those subsidies, the price of meat/dairy would quadruple and millions of animals would be saved from consumption. Not to mention people would probably be healthier too.
but you can do both?
And by reducing demand you’re already helping.
And this is just me personally, but i couldn’t even imagine eating someone who had a mother.
HUNTING AND FISHING ARE FINE!!?? 🗣🗣🗣
Fish don’t have nerves to feel pain. Hunting for food is practical. Inflicting pain because you can or bc you enjoy it is messed up.
Fish don’t have nerves to feel pain.
>While some say the debate is not settled, I believe there is ample evidence to say that fish do indeed feel pain. You can find literature in the source above.
Its cruel. You do you, but hunting and fishing are red flags to me.
Any kind of snobbery/looking down on people - especially if it’s based on income or occupation.
Celebrity worship. If you spend all your time on instagram or TikTok following the latest trends and being emotionally affected by the behavior and actions of a “celebrity”, then we probably have nothing in common and I probably don’t want to have a conversation with you.
The slightest hint of financial superiority. Snobbery, if you will.
This is what makes me sometimes unsure whether I should offer monetary help if I don’t know the person intimately enough to judge this sufficiently.
Not being aware of others and how your actions and being affect them.
Very simple example: fuckers who walk towards you on a sidewalk and don’t even blink (edit: I meant think but this is funny nonsense lol) about moving an inch to the side to avoid hitting you. Like looking straight past you not budging even a bit…
Lean the shoulder that’s about to make contact forward. Fuck em.
Even if you do bump into them they still act like no other person exists besides them, y’know?
Or when there is a group of people walking all side to side covering the whole pathway and you walk towards them, but they don’t move aside, as if they expect you to fly over them or just dissappear from the earth.
Then you stand your ground and they look at you like you are at fault.
Bigotry.
Well, maybe except “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t know / didn’t think that this is shitty thing to say”, these at least can be educated
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people who are irrationally argumentative. Even when they agree with you, their sentence starts with "No, " and it drives me nuts
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people who litter, especially people who litter with a bin in sight. People who let their dog shit and walk away I guess also fall under this category
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people who hate others because of their sexuality, gender or race
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Littering, or any other type of casual damage to the environment.
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That’s rather narrow minded. I’m not saying I agree with them, but to instantly despise someone for holding a belief makes you no better than them.
Despising people aligning themselves with the people who want to continue taking away our rights is narrow minded, is it?
That you think of the whole right-wing that way is.
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When people get offended on behalf of others, especially when their stupidity harms the people they claim to be offended for.
Case in point, the Hogwarts Legacy situation. It made trans people look unhinged by association, even though the seemingly vast majority of them were cis progressives.
And if I as a trans person mention how I don’t feel represented and don’t appreciate what they are doing? Suddenly I’m a Russian troll or something. So stupid.
I think you make a good point that over reacting to perceived offenses can make the “victims” look bad, but the idea that only those who identify as the victim have any right to speak on it is nonsense. I’m a white person but I’m going to call out racism when I see it because to my view of a just society, that racism cannot be allowed. I have nobody in my life that is trans and the current right wing war against trans people doesn’t affect me at all, but I’m still going to be an ally and stand against it.
And honestly anyone who blamed trans people for the harry potter game backlash likely wasn’t a fan of trans people to begin with. I wouldn’t worry so much about their opinion.
I suspect a lot of yall should say this:
There is nothing worse than seeing my own flaws reflected in someone. Like, if they’re a lazy neckbeard who talks about niche media and old-sci-fi while contributing nothing to society.
Especially the flaws i had when i was younger. I die a bit every time i see an unaware selfish arrogant teenager.
