Smartphone users can do "very little" to stop security services getting "total control" over their devices, US whistleblower Edward Snowden tells the BBC in his first British TV interview.
All smartphones can be infected, and surveilled/controlled without pressing/downloading anything malicious. Israeli “security” companies (NSO among others) have been selling this malware for many years, to intelligence depts. Around the globe. Probably what got Khashoggi back when.
Hamas has many problems but that’s all they have. Israel helped to create Hamas.
There, your so beloved nuanced take. But one that doesn’t disarm the oppresed people being systematically erased by evil colonizers and their critical supporters like you.
I am not the original commenter. This comment asking “why” was before the OP commenter “both-sides” the genocide with “muh khamas”.
At the time, OP commenter was just talking about Israeli spyware using BDS as a source while also letting us know they are uninformed about the genocide and thus don’t have a stance. My understanding was that this was to deflect any criticism or accusations from Zionists for being biased.
While it is not ideal, there are a million reasons why someone may be ignorant on a conflict, atrocity, phenomenon, etc. It could be willfull ignorance, it could be that their environment does everything possible to keep them ignorant; regardless, until I know the reason, I cannot judge them.
What matters to me more is how they act with said ignorance. In this case, they initially said they are very poorly informed aka “I don’t know”. Instead of talking about what they don’t know (genocide, settler-colonial conflict, Zionism, etc), they only spoke about what they do know (Israeli spyware).
I think this is fine, especially since those who know they are ignorant and refuse to speak on what they don’t know are generally open to learn or have any misconceptions corrected. I also have very low expectations of Amerikkkans from the land of the burger, home of the fries.
This all is to say, this is why I was asking “why”. My mind was focused on the spyware, and I was wondering why another commenter didn’t like it. Was the information inaccurate?
Since then, a lot of other commenters responded–I now understand why they take issue with the OP comment, though I believed the initial responses were unnecessarily harsh. However, the OP commenter, despite knowing full well their ignorance, dropped the “muh khamas” shitter nuke, so…
i can’t speak for the others who responded, but for me it’s the i-don’t-have-a-dog-in-this-fight perspective that they have because it’s undeniable that the people they’re enabling are causing this fight; but they’re completely dismissive of the pain and suffering that their behavior is causing as if it didn’t matter.
it’s a bit like how liberals become upset at conservatives for not giving af about something until it effects them. people who hold the not-my-problem attitude that op holds will eventually feel the effects; but they’re such an overwhelmingly large portion of western society that iwe’re all going to feel the effects when it happens.
Privilege definitely plays a part and it’s not blissful ignorance , it’s willful ignorance – they’re choosing to ignore it and calling the people who won’t ignore it tankies.
And the smugness that the willful ignorance creates isn’t helping anything either.
All smartphones can be infected, and surveilled/controlled without pressing/downloading anything malicious. Israeli “security” companies (NSO among others) have been selling this malware for many years, to intelligence depts. Around the globe. Probably what got Khashoggi back when.
https://bdsmovement.net/Global-Day-Action-Against-Spyware (I don’t have any dog in the Palestine/Israel conflict, and am very poorly informed on the matter).
I somehow struggle to believe that you can possibly be poorly informed on the most livestreamed genocide in the history of humanity
Go barn somewhere else.
I’m conflicted whether I should up vote or down vote your comment
Downvote
Dude is oblivious to a genocide and has no sides on the matter
This is as evil as one can be
Yeah, not being against genocide is pretty damn evil.
How the fuck did you come to that conclusion??!
Time and place, this wasn’t it. Bibi needs to face the ICC and Israel are commiting genocide.
But don’t forget that Hamas are a terrorist organization, and the Palestinian state oppress their own people by social control.
Does that validate oppression and crimes against gumanity,? Of course not.
Are you happy?
When you grow up, you will realize the world is not l Black and white.
Would you call the Warsaw ghetto uprising a terrorist organization?
This ain’t it chief
Nice straw man, though
Hahaha, explain to me what you think a straw man is.
What I did was called “comparison”. It’s used to help explain a situation using a similar historical event. The events I compared are one to one.
Hamas has many problems but that’s all they have. Israel helped to create Hamas.
There, your so beloved nuanced take. But one that doesn’t disarm the oppresed people being systematically erased by evil colonizers and their critical supporters like you.
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So Israel is a terrorist country, and the resistance group that formed to fight it is… Also a terrorist organization??
Congrats, your rhetoric outpaced both the Zionists and Hitler. Being okay with genociding a whole region, that’s 500 million people
Lemmy’s a free country. Go ahead and do both lul
exactly, upvote with one account and downvote with another. lol
Why?
a genocide was being live streamed on social media to millions of people and you’re one of the people who somehow can’t recognize it.
I am not the original commenter. This comment asking “why” was before the OP commenter “both-sides” the genocide with “muh khamas”.
At the time, OP commenter was just talking about Israeli spyware using BDS as a source while also letting us know they are uninformed about the genocide and thus don’t have a stance. My understanding was that this was to deflect any criticism or accusations from Zionists for being biased.
While it is not ideal, there are a million reasons why someone may be ignorant on a conflict, atrocity, phenomenon, etc. It could be willfull ignorance, it could be that their environment does everything possible to keep them ignorant; regardless, until I know the reason, I cannot judge them.
What matters to me more is how they act with said ignorance. In this case, they initially said they are very poorly informed aka “I don’t know”. Instead of talking about what they don’t know (genocide, settler-colonial conflict, Zionism, etc), they only spoke about what they do know (Israeli spyware).
I think this is fine, especially since those who know they are ignorant and refuse to speak on what they don’t know are generally open to learn or have any misconceptions corrected. I also have very low expectations of Amerikkkans from the land of the burger, home of the fries.
This all is to say, this is why I was asking “why”. My mind was focused on the spyware, and I was wondering why another commenter didn’t like it. Was the information inaccurate?
Since then, a lot of other commenters responded–I now understand why they take issue with the OP comment, though I believed the initial responses were unnecessarily harsh. However, the OP commenter, despite knowing full well their ignorance, dropped the “muh khamas” shitter nuke, so…
i can’t speak for the others who responded, but for me it’s the i-don’t-have-a-dog-in-this-fight perspective that they have because it’s undeniable that the people they’re enabling are causing this fight; but they’re completely dismissive of the pain and suffering that their behavior is causing as if it didn’t matter.
it’s a bit like how liberals become upset at conservatives for not giving af about something until it effects them. people who hold the not-my-problem attitude that op holds will eventually feel the effects; but they’re such an overwhelmingly large portion of western society that iwe’re all going to feel the effects when it happens.
That makes sense. It definitely takes a certain kind of privilege to be able to live with and afford such a blissfully ignorant stance.
Privilege definitely plays a part and it’s not blissful ignorance , it’s willful ignorance – they’re choosing to ignore it and calling the people who won’t ignore it tankies.
And the smugness that the willful ignorance creates isn’t helping anything either.