Are framework products not available in the EU?? They’ve been making stuff for years I figured surely they would be

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This, so much this. I also run Fedora.

I can’t just close the lid and put it in my bag without worrying.

Honestly, most times of I’m not actively working on something, I just shut it off completely before packing it away. It starts plenty fast, and at least I know I’ll actually have battery when I need it. Instead of finding it dead or at 10%. So annoying.

I recently installed Mint on my laptop and I have this problem, too. Windows 11 sucks, but I could just close the laptop and not worry about it and still have battery for a long time.

Now I assume it’ll last with the lid closed maybe a day or two at max, and even then I’m plugging it in the moment I open it back up.

Don’t have a Framework, but I think it’s due to the whole ‘modern standby’ approach where the firmware doesn’t implement ‘standby’ anymore and just let’s the OS put everything into as low power state as possible, component by component.

It doesn’t work well for Windows either, which is why a Windows laptop I have will ‘standby’ for maybe 15 minutes before shutting itself down for ‘hibernate’. I figure they decided that NVME means resume from hibernate is ‘good enough’ and modern standby is such a power hog that they can’t pull it off.

Problem in Linux is that they view SecureBoot as a promise they cannot keep if they resume from disk, so they block hibernate if SecureBoot is enabled, making it hard to bank on as a reliable recourse.

In my experience Power Management is broken on Windows and Linux the same way. Some laptops do work better then others, but none of both Systems works fully reliable. My work HP Elitebook 845 G8 also has the problem of waking itself up in my backpack and boiling to Death (empty Battery). And it is running on Windows.

Don’t know if Apple with their MacBooks have similar problems.

up until a few months ago, i’ve been only been using linux-first companies because of battery life and power management and it spoiled me because i came to expect a windows/mac-level of performance in this realm.

i tried going back to a windows-first laptop most recently and the power management has definately gotten better under linux than it was the last time i tried in 2013, but it still leaves something to be desired like your lenovo laptop does and it makes me wish that framework were more candid about linux user experiences to justify the additional costs that they’re expecting from us.

Suspend works just fine with Fedora KDE on my AMD Framework 13. I don’t know about hibernation, since I use FDE and Linux still doesn’t support encrypted hibernation.

EDIT: You can safely ignore most of what I wrote. Rails World is the DHH Rails conference (I am not a rails person) that they sponsor.

I can’t figure out if this is true or not.

They did sponsor Omarchy, and they do still list on their linux support page that they seed hardware to Omarchy, but on their official list of sponsorships (included in the spoiler/hidden block so as not to spam/monopolize the thread) they do not list Omarchy.

So I don’t know what the current situation is, but it does appear they’re distancing themselves from it a bit. They last posted on Bluesky about Omarchy 8 months ago (about when the scandals happened).

Actually: in writing this I realized that Hyprland is also problematic, or maybe they’re not anymore, but they are listed in their sponsorships. So I don’t actually know what that means.

https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/framework-sponsorships

Is there a better option for a modular laptop with good Linux support?

I was wondering about this. Do you have any resources for what they’ve been up to since their vile “big tent” statements?

I’m out of the loop with this.

From the other reply I saw something about funding a guy who is behind omarchy. What has that guy done to be considered a fascist?

After some digging, is it the hyprland guy, and the drama surrounding it?

I mean, buying amost every american or even eu company supports fascists

Why should I care about that?

If bribing a fascist president with a literal gold bar, refusing to comply with EU law and then complying maliciously years later, global tax dodging, and anti-competitive behavior isn’t enough to piss you off sufficiently, I’m not sure what will.

When the Motorola Graphene phones are available, I’m dumping my iPhone, which is my last Apple device.

Just out of curiosity: What is it that you actually need HDR for in a professional context? Movie/Film making? Because apart from that I only see HDR used in media consumption related topics (playing Games, watching 4K HDR movies).

Such a cool device. I hope many other vendors will eventually include that form factor in their lineup. I can’t wait to get my hands on a high-end Thinkpad DUO.

My Asus Tuff has libinput issues with Wayland that cause mouse click problems. Hotkeying everything is not practice, so it kind of sucks.

All the distros use fprintd, but that’s not related to Framework aside from the laptop using a sensor that fprintd supports.