Anything involving Copilot makes me happy to be a Mac user.
If you have a machine that runs Windows and the hardware is still good, it’s time to give Linux a chance. Look into Proton for gaming (it’s a translation layer, like WINE I suppose). And let’s stop acting like Macs are the odd one out. Macs run UNIX. Windows is the odd one out! ;)
MacOS or whatever they call it now is “unix-like” but it’s still ultimately a closed environment and definitely not the same, ethically, as a real FOSS OS. Apple doesn’t care about you any more than Microsoft or Google, they’re also in it for money.
I keep hearing it’s certified UNIX, and if you don’t know “what they call it” despite me saying so in the post you replied to, I question your comprehension of the material in general.
Now, I’m not a UNIX guy, and I always thought it was bizarre that people said that. So I looked it up. I neither like nor trust Google, so I searched “macOS UNIX certification” on DuckDuckGo, which I believe uses Bing? Still not ideal, but at this point any search engine is going to get us some meaningful searches.
DDG’s AI companion says this: MacOS has been certified as UNIX compliant, specifically as UNIX® 03, which means it adheres to an older version of the Single UNIX Specification. This certification indicates that macOS meets certain programming interface standards, but it does not necessarily reflect the latest UNIX standards.
The top link is from The Open Group which declares itself to be the official register of UNIX certified products. They list Apple macOS 26.0 Tahoe at the top (probably because Apple comes first alphabetically).
The Register is a little more dubious on the subject. It claims that macOS 15 Sequoia (the previous version; before they went to year-name releases rather than sequential) was also UNIX certified, but it goes on to say there are different certifications which are upgraded each year, and Apple only qualifies for UNIX 3 from 2002. It seems like there are much newer certifications Apple could maybe go after, but hasn’t. It goes into what the certification means, but this isn’t that interesting to me. But there is the link for anyone curious enough to dig.
Finally, OS News claims the certification is a lie but this is mainly clickbait. It says the same thing as The Register, that Apple only achieves the UNIX 3 certification. Then it goes on to accuse Apple of cheating to get to that point, and goes into some code — way past my expertise.
Today, I am a little bit more educated on macOS UNIX certification than I was yesterday. Maybe some of you are, too. Or maybe not, I really don’t know. We’re all on different paths. However, I am not convinced to change my assertion that it should be “Linux and macOS against Windows” rather than “Linux and Windows against macOS.” The latter just seems wrong — why would Linux and Windows users align at all? Other than more similar hardware. Whereas Linux and macOS are both improvements over Windows.
Another thought occurs: is it even Linux users who are going against Mac users? I think it’s probably mostly just Windows users trying to spread FUD.
That’s really interesting and I appreciate taking the time to write that comment, but I’d put Mac and Windows on the same team because their goals are basically the same, to transfer wealth from the consumer to the company. Linux, and open source software in general, does not have that same motivation to squeeze the consumer so of course it’s going to be better.
Mac hardware gets sold at tremendous markup because it’s so closed. Windows is little more than a vessel to show ads. Linux is a good experience from installation onward, almost regardless of distribution. Free of telemetry and runs on literally whatever, if it can run code it can probably run Linux. I have a laptop from 2011 that runs Arch with XFCE and it’s buttery smooth. My 2012 MacBook pro has been a paperweight for years and Microsoft wants me to throw away anything that can’t be tied to me personally.
That said I would MUCH rather use macos than windows, my wife has an m1 MacBook Air that I use sometimes and it’s definitely more pleasant than Windows. However, I think Linux is the odd man out. MacOS vs Windows is like stubbing your left toe vs your right toe.
I run Arch btw on my gaming PC and my old ass laptop I can show you my qualifications if you want 😂
Proton is WINE, it’s a fork maintained by Valve and Codeweaver with DXVK (Direct X -> Vulkan) on top. If you use Steam for gaming it will set up proton automatically for you.
And yes macOS is a step up from Windows, but it’s still a walled garden. Want to develop an iOS app? You must buy a Mac, you must buy a developer license, you must use the worst IDE ever created, and you must distribute it through the app store (except in Europe in theory, but they worked hard to make the experience so miserable that almost no one bothers).
Settle down. You’re on the verge of giving yourself skin failure.
You’re calling people names. It’s very obviously not “about DISCUSSION” for you right now. Those things are utterly incompatible. You’re presently seeking emotional gratification through abuse. The bizarre choice of “incel” comes across as projection when you talk like that.
Your previous comment missed the point so widely and smugly, it also fails to engage in meaningful “DISCUSSION”. It’s okay to say something stupid, just try not to be a raging asshole about it.
If you have a machine that runs Windows and the hardware is still good,
Linux is often more forgiving on hardware requirements. I recently put Mint (with xfce) on a like 2013 laptop and it’s fine. That’s not even an especially lightweight distribution.
Can confirm, I had a laptop that took multiple minutes to boot and was sluggish as hell, installed linux and after that it booted in 5-10 seconds and felt snappy again
Yes, it is. Mostly what Windows 11 won’t run on is not a matter of the machine’s capability of running the software, it’s more about the hardware security to back Microsoft’s DRM shit.
Even if Linux Mint isn’t especially lightweight, there’s a Linux distro for just about everybody out there. You could probably find one that runs on 00’s or maybe, possibly, even 90s hardware, it would look like shit, it might look like OSes from back then, but it still could have modern support for whatever you want to tack onto it. I will never underestimate the versatility of Linux and its community.
Anything involving Copilot makes me happy to be a Mac user.
If you have a machine that runs Windows and the hardware is still good, it’s time to give Linux a chance. Look into Proton for gaming (it’s a translation layer, like WINE I suppose). And let’s stop acting like Macs are the odd one out. Macs run UNIX. Windows is the odd one out! ;)
MacOS or whatever they call it now is “unix-like” but it’s still ultimately a closed environment and definitely not the same, ethically, as a real FOSS OS. Apple doesn’t care about you any more than Microsoft or Google, they’re also in it for money.
I keep hearing it’s certified UNIX, and if you don’t know “what they call it” despite me saying so in the post you replied to, I question your comprehension of the material in general.
Now, I’m not a UNIX guy, and I always thought it was bizarre that people said that. So I looked it up. I neither like nor trust Google, so I searched “macOS UNIX certification” on DuckDuckGo, which I believe uses Bing? Still not ideal, but at this point any search engine is going to get us some meaningful searches.
DDG’s AI companion says this: MacOS has been certified as UNIX compliant, specifically as UNIX® 03, which means it adheres to an older version of the Single UNIX Specification. This certification indicates that macOS meets certain programming interface standards, but it does not necessarily reflect the latest UNIX standards.
The top link is from The Open Group which declares itself to be the official register of UNIX certified products. They list Apple macOS 26.0 Tahoe at the top (probably because Apple comes first alphabetically).
The Register is a little more dubious on the subject. It claims that macOS 15 Sequoia (the previous version; before they went to year-name releases rather than sequential) was also UNIX certified, but it goes on to say there are different certifications which are upgraded each year, and Apple only qualifies for UNIX 3 from 2002. It seems like there are much newer certifications Apple could maybe go after, but hasn’t. It goes into what the certification means, but this isn’t that interesting to me. But there is the link for anyone curious enough to dig.
Finally, OS News claims the certification is a lie but this is mainly clickbait. It says the same thing as The Register, that Apple only achieves the UNIX 3 certification. Then it goes on to accuse Apple of cheating to get to that point, and goes into some code — way past my expertise.
Today, I am a little bit more educated on macOS UNIX certification than I was yesterday. Maybe some of you are, too. Or maybe not, I really don’t know. We’re all on different paths. However, I am not convinced to change my assertion that it should be “Linux and macOS against Windows” rather than “Linux and Windows against macOS.” The latter just seems wrong — why would Linux and Windows users align at all? Other than more similar hardware. Whereas Linux and macOS are both improvements over Windows.
Another thought occurs: is it even Linux users who are going against Mac users? I think it’s probably mostly just Windows users trying to spread FUD.
That’s really interesting and I appreciate taking the time to write that comment, but I’d put Mac and Windows on the same team because their goals are basically the same, to transfer wealth from the consumer to the company. Linux, and open source software in general, does not have that same motivation to squeeze the consumer so of course it’s going to be better.
Mac hardware gets sold at tremendous markup because it’s so closed. Windows is little more than a vessel to show ads. Linux is a good experience from installation onward, almost regardless of distribution. Free of telemetry and runs on literally whatever, if it can run code it can probably run Linux. I have a laptop from 2011 that runs Arch with XFCE and it’s buttery smooth. My 2012 MacBook pro has been a paperweight for years and Microsoft wants me to throw away anything that can’t be tied to me personally.
That said I would MUCH rather use macos than windows, my wife has an m1 MacBook Air that I use sometimes and it’s definitely more pleasant than Windows. However, I think Linux is the odd man out. MacOS vs Windows is like stubbing your left toe vs your right toe.
I run Arch btw on my gaming PC and my old ass laptop I can show you my qualifications if you want 😂
Proton is WINE, it’s a fork maintained by Valve and Codeweaver with DXVK (Direct X -> Vulkan) on top. If you use Steam for gaming it will set up proton automatically for you.
And yes macOS is a step up from Windows, but it’s still a walled garden. Want to develop an iOS app? You must buy a Mac, you must buy a developer license, you must use the worst IDE ever created, and you must distribute it through the app store (except in Europe in theory, but they worked hard to make the experience so miserable that almost no one bothers).
You can definitely rent a cloud Mac, or use a virtual machine to achieve all that. FUD.
Are you joking right now? Acting like you just won the argument??
This isn’t about « winning the argument » you incel, it’s about DISCUSSION
Settle down. You’re on the verge of giving yourself skin failure.
You’re calling people names. It’s very obviously not “about DISCUSSION” for you right now. Those things are utterly incompatible. You’re presently seeking emotional gratification through abuse. The bizarre choice of “incel” comes across as projection when you talk like that.
Your previous comment missed the point so widely and smugly, it also fails to engage in meaningful “DISCUSSION”. It’s okay to say something stupid, just try not to be a raging asshole about it.
You’re the one who spewed that hostile shit. Fuck right off.
Linux is often more forgiving on hardware requirements. I recently put Mint (with xfce) on a like 2013 laptop and it’s fine. That’s not even an especially lightweight distribution.
Can confirm, I had a laptop that took multiple minutes to boot and was sluggish as hell, installed linux and after that it booted in 5-10 seconds and felt snappy again
Yes, it is. Mostly what Windows 11 won’t run on is not a matter of the machine’s capability of running the software, it’s more about the hardware security to back Microsoft’s DRM shit.
Even if Linux Mint isn’t especially lightweight, there’s a Linux distro for just about everybody out there. You could probably find one that runs on 00’s or maybe, possibly, even 90s hardware, it would look like shit, it might look like OSes from back then, but it still could have modern support for whatever you want to tack onto it. I will never underestimate the versatility of Linux and its community.
meanwhile NetBSD runs on toasters from the 90s
Whenever I hear about heart disease, I’m sure glad I have cancer!