So I had researched it a while ago and don’t recall having found anything effective and non-suspicious to protect from public camera mass survaillence in cities and the like. Is there anything that is a good option for that yet, and if so, could you point me toward it?
May I suggest revolution?
Are there any AES countries without mass surveillance though? Honest quesion.
Revolution doesn’t have to recreate the currently existing systems in other parts of the world. Every social order was brand new at some point.
While I agree, it seems a little ironic given your username
…No? Communism is the brand new social order I’m talking about that is yet to come about.
Should pick a new name for a new order then.
Maybe commonism.
There is no effective technical solution for political problems. If you find one, it will soon be outlawed or rendered ineffective (eg if you wear mask and sunglasses, prepare to be harassed by law enforcement). Lobbying to stop unconstrained surveillance is the only option.
If there is no other option than lobbying then there is no real option. The public has rarely ever effectively lobbied for their interests.
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I wouldn’t be so pessimistic. When more people personally experience survelliance abuse, things will get interesting.
I think the public is staggeringly bad at advocating for their own interests.
Press forward
Covid masks can be effective, and it’s not as suspicious as asymmetrical makeup or a reflective hoodie. But no, there’s no good way to avoid being photographed in public.
I read somewhere they they can identify you typically with about 35% of your face.
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Mask and sunglasses? Then put random things in your shoe everyday to change your gait?
Lemon juice? /s
context, for the unaware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Greater_Pittsburgh_bank_robberies
I’ve never seen an explanation as to why the guy thought that the lemon juice would work. Did someone tell it to him that or did he come up with it himself.
Younger me recalls (incorrectly) that they used lemon juice on the film in the first Star Wars movie, as a special effect to blur the base of the land speeder so it appeared to be hovering. They actually used vaseline, smeared on the lens, not the film, plus had mirrors under the vehicle too. I had told this lemon juice ‘fact’ to several people before someone finally corrected me.
My memory was wrong and I wonder how I came to that conclusion. Maybe I watched a ‘behind the scenes’ show on how they did the special effects, and they said it wrong. Maybe it was a show that presented the use of lemon juice in some other tangentially related special effect and I mixed the two up. Maybe I had read an article about using lemon juice to distort picture film in the developing process.
I wonder if that bank robber did the same mistake but with far worse consequences. The time frame of the robbers mistake was around the same time as my confusion as well.
I’m thinking it’s a conflation with a basic “invisible ink” made with lemon juice.
You write a message in lemon juice on paper; the juice dries clear, then you can heat the paper to darken the juice and make the message legible.
I mixed the two up
How did that go? Was it useful for anything? It sounds like some old practical advice:
Thoroughly mix 2 tablespoons of vaseline with 1 teaspoon of lemon juice and smear it on your penis just before sunset. That will keep the mosquitoes at a distance throughout the night.
You need to own a few copies of face recog software, and practice with face restructuring latex makeup which gives you a new realistic face with a new bone structure.
Change walking gate. Get shoes with small platforms to change height, learn to walk naturally on those.
Change mannerisms.
It’s doable, but a major pain to pull it off.
Like imagine quickly applying the latex makeup, walking in front of your own identical face recognition camera at home, take everything off, rest, repeat, 10 times a day, 300 days a year, for 10 years. Until it is second nature. Now you can rely on this to do serious work.
You have to create a new person, basically. Assuming you practiced well and tested everything against real software, you can now be a different person for some hours in a reliable way. Once your secondary identity is exposed you’ll need a new tertiary identity. Never do anythiny fishy as your base identity.
The real solution is political, like everyone else has said. Because you won’t be able to fool the system casually without a massive effort and practice, practice, practice on your own property first, before you rely on this for real work in the wild.
It depends on the surveillance coverage. If it’s widespread enough, they can track you between your departure and arrival locations. You’d also need two more disguises for both entering and exiting.
And of course, if you have a cell phone on you that pings anything, the jig is up.
For the cell phones, faraday cages would be a solution.
IR blocking sunglasses are the simplest and most practical solution.
Facial recognition systems compare the distance ratios between your eyes and nose primarily. Hiding your eyes is very effective towards fucking that up. A mask alone is typically not enough.
Sunglasses alone are not enough either. Modern face recognition tech is way better than just distance ratios
Got any further info about these more advanced methods?
I haven’t seen anything beyond the feature distance models. I have seen the models that essentially recreate you entire anatomy in 3D, place it in a database, then use that profile to match to in the future–almost like a 3D match move artist would do for visual effects. Not sure if this is just a proof of concept though.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the millimeter wave scanners at airports have been collecting 3D models of us for this database over the last decades.
I don’t have any specific technical info. I just know that even 3 years ago the face recognition tech in Moscow could successfully match people even with sunglasses on.
The question is whether they were using infrared to see through normal sunglasses. IR blocking sunglasses prevent “night vision” from seeing through the lenses. Under infared, you can see through normal dark sunglasses like they aren’t even there.
I’d guess they probably just have a big blackbox ML image model now. A lot of computer vision tasks are being replaced by blackbox models.
Handheld scanning infrared laser, 5 to 50 watts Basically laser-clean the sensor out of existence
5 to 50 watts
And blinding everyone around you too!
You’re going to need a rather tight beam to hit that camera and it will only for milliseconds. It would take really bad luck to hit someone continuously long enough through a reflection (drastic reduction in power level by then) to damage their eyesight, plus camera optics are not very reflective of infrared as they need it for night vision, so they’re especially sensitive. But yes, this should be treated with the seriousness of a gun.
You know cameras have an IR filter during the day right.
Even a 1 watt laser will still have enough power after the filter to knock that sensor’s clock right out.
Or just use a red laser, they’re even cheaper, if less discrete.
At that point I’d just spray paint them. Much safer, easy to buy in cash, and I assume it costs a lot to send someone to clean it up
Sure if you have a drone but it’s not nearly as discreet as a fiber+ lens in your sleeve
How are you going to spray paint a camera 20ft up?
Drone, paintball gun, chainsaw, fire
Yeah if that isnt noticed or jammed and traced back to you. Infra lasers are the way to do it with little “noise” and cant be jammed.
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electronics and industrial supply places, you can rip it off a diode based laser cutter but they’re very chonk, if you’re handy, you’d get just the diodes, lens and then make your own PCB with powersupply. You need adjustable because the light has to be in focus at the distance between you and the camera or else it will be to diffuse to disable the sensor, both too short and too far. You don’t really need a galvo head in this case just mount the pcb on something that can randomnly vibrate the laser in a small radius at the effective distance. You won’t be able to hit the camera sensor steady, you need to paint over it randomnly, with the right focus it will work even on rare occasionnal hits since those sensor are very sensitive to laser light
Just add adruino with a distance sensing laser to point it it first to have it adjust focal length of the dangerous laser.
Yes that makes sense, the range finding sensor from an old cell phone should do nicely.
You can 3d print a geared lens barrel for small M12 lens quite easily.
Just map the values to real gear position and bingo’s your uncle !
For surveillance cams:
Cover them up and destroy them with drones.
Mask or neck gator, dark shades, toboggan hat or head scarf/wrap that covers your ears. Ears are just about as identifiable as fingerprints.
Long hair also.
IR LEDs around your hat or glasses but I believe some cameras can filter out IR.
Don’t mind me, just rocking my battery-powered hat
It’s to power the AI obviously 😂
mask with dark sunglasses or a ski mask with dark sunglasses
Artillery strikes on the data centers
You learning how to make other people directly around you care. Start with the easy stuff, like helping them leave WhatsApp and Discord.
In 71 years on this planet, I have only managed to genuinely hate two people with a visceral and vociferous hatred…and he is one.
I asked Andi
Recent advances in facial recognition technology have sparked development of various counter-surveillance clothing and accessories. These anti-surveillance methods fall into several key categories:
Physical Alterations and Clothing
- Patterned clothing with complex designs that confuse facial recognition algorithms[1]
- Reflective materials that bounce back infrared light used by security cameras[1:1]
- Special scarves and hoodies designed to break up facial features[1:2]
- The “Camera Shy Hoodie” with embedded IR LEDs that overexpose security camera footage[2]
- Cap_Able brand clothing with patterns designed to deceive recognition systems[3]
Technical Solutions
- Infrared LED glasses that blind facial recognition cameras while remaining invisible to human eyes[1:3]
- Anti-surveillance devices that emit signals to interfere with camera sensors[1:4]
- Reflectacles privacy eyewear that blocks IR cameras[4]
Professional Applications
- Small reflective dot stickers used for motion tracking and high-speed camera detection[5]
- Camera obscura techniques used by photographers and artists[6]
Law Enforcement Concerns
- Police forces are expanding use of facial recognition vans and technology[7][8]
- Civil liberties groups argue the technology shows racial bias and privacy concerns[9]
- West Yorkshire’s Crime Commissioner states that facial recognition data “will not be stored”[7:1]
Sources:
Luxand - How to Fool and Avoid Facial Recognition in Public Places ↩︎ ↩︎ ↩︎ ↩︎ ↩︎
Maker Faire Rome - Fabric to deceive facial recognition systems ↩︎
BBC - ‘Facial recognition can make mistakes, it’s not a decision-maker’ ↩︎ ↩︎
Facebook - Digital face recognition camera van in Albany Rd ↩︎
Yahoo/Telegraph - Facial recognition cameras at Notting Hill Carnival ‘are racially biased’ ↩︎
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Because Andi is until now the most privacy centric and reliable one of all I’ve tested since almost 3 years, it was the first ever search AI on the market, 5 Years ago, former called Lazyweb.ai, years before. Own LLM not biased by big companies. Developed by a small startup of 2 devs.
…We’re a small team of two founders (Angela and Jed) and some friends. We’re on a mission to unbreak the Internet and save the world from spam, misinformation and ad tech.
Search is broken because of misinformation, SEO spam and ads, and surveillance capitalism. It hasn’t changed in 20 years. Things are getting worse. The rise of GPT-based chatbots that confidently generate accurate-sounding “BS” with made-up sources is driving misinformation through the roof.
