- I’ll buy used, so don’t want latest and greatest. It won’t be my main laptop.
- to run linux obviously.
- good battery life, light, not too small to use, but large enough to type on (obviously can do without numeric keypad). not too fragile!
- I’ll be doing some light python work, perhaps some c/c++ but I’m not after a workhorse, just something for quickly fixing bugs, or making notes on
- sub 200 GBP / 250USD I guess
I’d be interested in hearing recommendations, and also what to avoid!
I got myself an old EEE PC for exactly that purpose. (Except, substitute python with lua).
8h battery life, cost me €20 and does what it’s supposed to. Just make sure you get one with an Atom N280 or better. The popular N270 is 32bit only, and more and more programs are dropping 32bit support. Some of them you can DIY compile for 32bit, some you really don’t want to.
(For example, compiling Node on an Atom N270 takes around 3 days.)
I had one with an N270 first and replaced it with one with an N450 to get 64bit.
Maxed it out with 2GB RAM, a cheapo €10 SSD that maxes out SATA and overclocked it to 2GHz.
It’s not fast by any stretch of the imagination, but it’s totally ok for editing text files with Kate and compiling with platformio.
t480 or t470
A refurbished Thinkpad T480.
maybe search for system76 too. I found one on my local craigslist.
intel macbook air works good for me, with debian and xfce
Instead of just throwing random preferences out there, I’ll help clarify the field of comments:
- Thinkpads USED to be a safe choice, but Lenovo has been tainting that model line for a few years. Search and find specific models, and don’t just buy because it has the Thinkpad brand.
- Framework is 100% ready to go. They have a Refurb store where everything is cheap, but if you find one cheaper, get it.
- Dell had a ton of Linux ready laptops under the XPS brand not long ago. Search and find out which to make sure, but they shipped with Linux installed.
- I hate to say it, but HP Probooks were solid and shipped with Linux also. Terrible company, but they make decent enterprise products. They’ll sell for cheap on eBay.
I have had more problems with two different Frameworks than most Thinkpads. Battery died, boot/power problems on both the 13 and 16, touchpad problem on the 13.
I prefer the concept of the Frameworks but can’t say they have worked better in practice.
There are <250USD used frameworks?
Great advice. Framework is the best choice if you can afford it. Seconded your opinions on Lenovo. They’re absolute trash now.
https://www.dellrefurbished.com/
Check support but can score some great deals on business-class laptops here. They’re machines that are coming off lease from Dell Financial Services.
Thinkpad T, P, W, & X (Carbon) are generally pretty solid, though T & X probably better fit OP’s preference for portability. The T series is/was also user upgradable (memory and SSD), usually pretty easily. I think some of the carbon models were also upgradable, but can’t remember. Cruicial’s website is very helpful with this. If the laptop has “Idea” or “Yoga” in the name, it’s more than likely trash. There were some “higher end” Yoga models, but AFAIR none were upgradable.
old T (until t440p) you could upgrade the cpu as well, and they are dirt cheap on aliexpress
Lookup the T38
People are going to say Thinkpad but I am going to say 2013 to 2017 MacBook Air. Inexpensive. Light. Good looking. A joy to use. Faster than you think. And well supported under Linux (I use EndeavourOS on them myself).
This was my immediate thought. An M1 Mac laptop is still a very useable laptop, and the battery life on them is fantastic.
M1 works decently with Linux these days but anything newer than that barely works.
I was thinking Intel era given the price-point.
Do they sell ASUS in your area? I bought a 2nd hand 14" Vivobook with a Ryzen 5 GPU and it runs Fedora 42 like a champ. First laptop I’ve ever owned that I don’t worry about overheating. It’s been my chuck-it-in-a-backpack travel machine for two years with no problems.
Don’t know where you are from, but I got a MacBook Pro 2015 for 150 and it can be forced to the latest macOS or just any distro of your liking. I will say that it can get quite hot and it’s recommended to switch the cooling paste and clean the fan.
For a cheap device it works fine and in this price bracket a better screen is barely possible.
I do have a surface book 2 that I will sell between 150 and 200, but I think Linux support is finicky at best. I ran popos on it, but there are just a bunch of things which would work a lot better on other devices
As much as I want to agree with this (I have a 2018 MacBook Pro that is running t2linux), this is a horrible suggestion.
Sure, if that’s the only computer (or laptop) you already have, go for it, but Linux on Mac, at least via the t2linux project is currently shaky at best. It does work, but absolutely not as a daily driver in my opinion.
Suspend is completely broken, the touchpad is barely usable, performance is horrible, audio quality is horrible, Bluetooth is unusable, battery life is abysmal.
And that’s not even mentioning the challenges you face installing it on your MacBook; firmware hacks, keyboard not working, etc.
DO NOT buy a MacBook specifically to run Linux on it if it’s going to be your daily driver. You will have a horrible time. Buy something more suited like a thinkpad.
Sucks to hear your experience being so terrible. Either I’m so coloured by the hellish experience of booting Linux on a surface (which is easy, but so many small issues after each update) or booting Linux on a mac is really easy.
BUT
I do agree, get something like a system76 for ease of use. I have dabbled with Linux, custom roms and other “hacky” stuff my whole life. I’m so used to it being hard that the experience these days feels as easy as booting windows
I have six MacBook Pro / MacBook Air computers. They all run flawlessly. Everything works. Everything, including all the social keys (screen, volume, etc). I do not have any of the problems described.
I daily drive more than one of them.
The best OS, in my view, for these machines is EndeavourOS, especially if you have one new enough to have a T2 chip. That said, I also have a 2020 MacBook Air running EndeavourOS. Absolutely everything works and it is quite fast but the fan will get quite loud (unlike any of my other machines). I have been meaning to replace the thermal paste in the hopes that it helps. I tend to use the older ones more as they do not have this issue.
My recommendation would be to go for machines before 2020. The MacBook Air 2013 - 2017 is the absolute best bang for buck.
I picked up a 2013 for $50 two years ago for a backpacking trip hoping I could use it for email and not caring if it was lost or stolen. I used it for 4 hours yesterday including for a Microsoft Teams meeting.
Considering your budget of 200 GBP / 250USD, I would recommend laptops meant for school. There are plenty of refurbished laptops out there with a decent battery condition and overall state for sale around €100. Most of these machines aren’t more powerful than most entry level Chromebooks and often have a Pentium or Celeron CPU, but that’s a tradeoff you’ll have to make. Another advantage is that they usually come with a touch screen and decent display, which is nice if you’re out and about.
I would recommend laptops meant for school.
This is a funny model number.
A refurb!
I’m not sure how common they are outside Japan, but I have a little (about 12" I think) Panasonic “Let’s Note” that I use quite a lot as a lightweight coding (and retro/indie gaming :D) device that I can throw in even my smallest bag when there’s a chance I’ll have to kill more than a few minutes. They’re designed to be a little bit rugged. I had Ubuntu on it previously, now Mint, and the only problem I’ve had is that Linux somehow sees two screen brightness systems, and by default it connects the screen brightness keys to the wrong (i.e. nonexistent) one. Once I traced the problem it was a quick and painless fix.
They seem to be sold worldwide, so you may be able to get one cheaply second-hand. One thing to be careful about is the fact that in order to keep the physical size down, the RAM is soldered to the board. Mine is an older model (5th gen iCore), and has 4GB soldered on but also one SODIMM slot, so I was able to upgrade to 12GB total. But I’ve noticed that on most later models they got rid of the RAM slots entirely, so whatever RAM it comes with is what you’re stuck with.
Used DELL 5310. Intel 10th-gen, 60Whr battery (goes 8+ working hours on a charge) often 16GB RAM and at least a 256GB SSD at that price range. Upgradeable (DDR4, NVMe) too.
Just popped Arch on a Thinkpad Carbon X1 gen8. There about 300 on eBay. Great decision
I use Arch btw
I use Arch btw
Is that why you haven’t read the op and just posted what you wanted to see written? How do your farts smell?
I’m loving the new Snapdragon laptops, especially if you don’t have any heavy (read: gaming) workloads!
sub 200 GBP / 250USD I guess
Last time I checked most were starting at 700+
Whoops! I did miss that part, my bad!!
