Can we all stop the in-fighting for a minute and realise how awesome the platform we are on is?
We are forming communities on the realized image of the internet that we were told we would have back in the 80s and 90s.
You can make your own home on the web and have your own niche community, not owned by any corporation, while still being connected to the wider internet.
This feels like something out of a sci-fi movie.
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It really does feel a lot like the old forums are back, but now they can talk to each other. This should have happened a decade ago!
To me it feels pretty much like reddit so far. Maybe I’ve just gotten very good at ignoring reddit’s corporate bullshit though.
At least every third post isn’t a flagrant ad poorly hidden as “this cool thing I discovered, you might find it cool too!”
Who will be accountable for abuse in the future? How does legal apply to cross-federated occurrences?
I’ve been wondering this. If a comment contains illegal content, which is possible in some cases, and blame can be extended beyond the commenter to the content provider, which is also possible, then is every instance the comment federates across culpable?
Best to look at federated instances as more official, set-in-stone subreddits. They all (usually) have rules and most of the time the instance is not responsible for a single person doing actions like that. If a kick or ban is also swiftly given, that usually also voids the instance owners of any illegal content.
kinda reminds me of the old internet when no one knew wtf was going on and everyone was just doing weird shit for fun
The freedom of expression is relieving and oddly something I forgot existed. There has been so much censorship and polticial correctness that it has ruined what made the old internet fun.
I would love to see Youtube be next in federation migration!
Not sure where you’re hanging out that you’re seeing infighting.
Also, I’ve been living in the Internet you describe since 1990. All it takes is intentionally saying no to the corporate offerings; there have been self-hosted and crowd-hosted communities the entire time.
Every once in a while I miss Fidonet though.
Also, I’ve been living in the Internet you describe since 1990. All it takes is intentionally saying no to the corporate offerings; there have been self-hosted and crowd-hosted communities the entire time.
Yha, advertising was non-existent on social media in the 1980’s, BBS systems and such were run because people like sharing information.
Facebook, Twitter were really about selling stuff and commercial advertising, people flocked to it.
That’s one view on BBSes; I remember ratios and some services charging for extra line access.
Fidonet was dope. Something magical about dialing (mostly) local and being able to see stuff so far flung it would cost you hundreds in long distance premiums normally.
Even if you weren’t a hacker in the modern sense, it was such a good hack in the old school sense that you couldn’t help but feel 1337.
In-fighting? What did i miss? lmao
Ill kill you
let’s commit war crimes
The Meta bullshit. I get it, Meta bad mmkay, but it’s been on my front page every time I’ve come here for the past few days. We really can stop now…
Easy enough to just drop a down vote on the discussion, right?
Methinks you have been so busy trying to fight that you didn’t realise that nobody else is fighting.
However, there’s a slight issue with ‘still being connected to the wider internet’ as I don’t see results for Lemmy content appearing in my searches the way Reddit content comes up.
So it feels rather like a sci-fi movie when you’ve had too many mushrooms - kind of bright, but a bit confused…
However, it does help focus that idea that - if we are going to have interesting discussions and create information which is archived - it shouldn’t be inside Reddit, and it should be accessible by search.
So Lemmy is half way there…
The search engines are increasingly becoming enshitified anyway. I no longer think being found on Google is going to be the hallmark of success long term it was purported to be. We need a new search paradigm. And I don’t just mean reinventing search engines. I mean new ways of organizing content and answering search queries. Or better funding models for indexed search.
I think you could really plot the decline in usability of Google search over the last 10 years. SEO and algorithms have really ruined the user experience.
You know what? I agree. Even over the last few months, I’ve seen it in action.
Before the blackout stuff began, I used to have to manually include the word “reddit” for reddit to even show up for most of my queries. Now, I can barely google anything without reddit showing up right near the top of the results.
Shenanigans, I tell ya.
I think we need decentralized search, or rather federated search if possible. Something akin to Lemmy and kbin for search. I’m not sure what the implementation would look like, but it needs to happen I think.
Bring back Yahoo!
We are forming communities on the realized image of the internet that we were told we would have back in the 80s and 90s.
Exactly! Back in the 80s, tech enthusiasts would run their own dial-up message boards in their homes. The Fediverse is like that, but with all the benefits of modern technology. Anyone can run their own instance if they have a decent internet connection (usually fiber). But it is more than just message boards: they can run Lemmy, Mastodon, Wordpress, and even things like Tor and NextCloud, and instantly contribute their computing resources to the larger Fediverse community.
I’m not that well read on this subject, but you can do this in your house or with a VPS? I always thought there was some conflict with residential internet and selfhosting?
The fact that everything is just “working” feels great!
Apps like Jerboa have made it so seemless to transition from deaddit.
Looking forward to the upcoming features that make the communities easier to join for the layperson.
Cheers!
No wait! I’ve just moved in! I missed all the fight!
I mean… can’t you just do a little??? 🥺
It has been quite emotional to see this community grow! I was a lurker here when Lemmy only had hundreds of users and to see such a vibrant and diverse set of instances form has been wonderful! I hope to see this platform returning some of the nostalgia from the Golden Age of the Internet. An internet for fun!
It’s only infighting because we’re all members of a living community. Other wise it’s just fighting
I agree.
BUT some degree of infighting means we’re alive and engaged with the platform. I think it’s healthy infighting.
Exactly. No human community exists without infighting. Infighting is not a good thing, but it is a good sign – a sign of growth.
There is a significant difference between constructive criticism and infighting. Infighting is often fueled by emotion and can be seen as toxic, harsh, and genuinely unappealing.
Constructive criticism on the other hand is a great way to provide another view point to someone who may not agree with you. It is up to them to decide on how they want to use this new perspective.
Right, but social media (and any social movement) needs to have some degree of blood-pumping excitement. Constructive criticism is super important, but so is passionate people yelling at each other. The important thing is that we’re emotionally mature enough to handle each other’s passion. If infighting leads to people crying “defederate now!” then that’s a problem. But “constructive” criticism can lead to the same fracturing.
Let’s just ride the waves and steer this thing somewhere cool and strong! And it’s fine if “infighting” is part of the engine that keeps the digital blood pumping.
I keep telling my wife how awesome the Fediverse is. She doesn’t share the same sentiment I do, but she also doesn’t care about Reddit. I’ll win her over one day.
we just need to find her brand of community and have you show her a few posts a day. Whats she into - succulents? scary stories? funny videos? CATS?
we can do this
Them sounds like fighting words! Put up your jibblies!
I definitely prefer it here over Reddit. It feels more free here.
Great change is coming enjoy these early amazing days!
I’m enjoying the ride. Love it here!
